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This is just meaningless rhetoric with no specifics on any policy. Sanders doesnt even want to nationalize the banks that crashed the economy causing the American taxpayer to bail them out. He simply wants to break them up and jail the crooks but not run the banks. If he despised any market approach or capitalism, those banks would be the first to be run by the government.
Sanders is the one guy that I think that he actually believes what he was saying. That's about the only praise I'll give him.
I wanna say that he's openly over-criticized capitalism but I don't wanna waste the time to find the quote. Sanders is a cradle to grave entitlement type. I don't believe in that I believe in social safety nets, the levels we have now are fine. We need to get a bit more grit and backbone in our society. The young kids today, not all, but a good chunk are really a bunch of whiny crybabies. Sanders appealed to the "give me free stuff" crowd, to say otherwise is just factually incorrect. In life you have to work hard and sacrifice at times. Not expect the government to take care of you. Yes, again, a certain level of that is fine, as I mentioned the social safety nets, but that stuff breeds laziness in my opinion. An opinion shared by a whole damn lot of people I might add.
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Sanders is the one guy that I think that he actually believes what he was saying. That's about the only praise I'll give him.
I wanna say that he's openly over-criticized capitalism but I don't wanna waste the time to find the quote. Sanders is a cradle to grave entitlement type. I don't believe in that I believe in social safety nets, the levels we have now are fine. We need to get a bit more grit and backbone in our society. The young kids today, not all, but a good chunk are really a bunch of whiny crybabies. Sanders appealed to the "give me free stuff" crowd, to say otherwise is just factually incorrect. In life you have to work hard and sacrifice at times. Not expect the government to take care of you. Yes, again, a certain level of that is fine, as I mentioned the social safety nets, but that stuff breeds laziness in my opinion. An opinion shared by a whole damn lot of people I might add.
But it takes a pretty cold person to watch people who can't succeed in capitalism starve to death in the streets
China is the one of the most capitalistic countries to date. Unless you're talking about China from the 1960s and before that time.
Hardly
China is Communist all the way and only someone engrossing themselves in profits from it would say otherwise.
250 Million Chinese had their lands bull dozed in China and forced to move to the cities to work.
Is that Communism or Capitalism where all parties have rights?
The 500 Largest Corporations in China are stated owned
Is that Capitalism or Communism?
I very much disagree with Bernie's solutions, but I understand the appeal for people who believe the government is their friend to fight against the rich.
Right away I thought of him as the leftist Ron Paul. They have almost opposite views economically, but there are a ton of similarities... their unpolished and straightforward delivery, gaining a loyal following, having a big influence on younger people, and getting screwed by the party they ran for.
Ron Paul was like a breath of fresh air for me, personally. I had accidentally become libertarian without knowing what a libertarian was, just based on my own thinking, and he spoke about those ideas so honestly and without trying to please others. I think Bernie is that type of figure for a lot of left-leaning people.
But it takes a pretty cold person to watch people who can't succeed in capitalism starve to death in the streets
That would be cold. Luckily almost anyone who advocates true capitalism is also in favor of helping those people on their own. It isn't about letting anyone starve, it's about not giving the state power to tell you how to spend your own money.
Sanders is the one guy that I think that he actually believes what he was saying. That's about the only praise I'll give him.
I wanna say that he's openly over-criticized capitalism but I don't wanna waste the time to find the quote. Sanders is a cradle to grave entitlement type. I don't believe in that I believe in social safety nets, the levels we have now are fine. We need to get a bit more grit and backbone in our society. The young kids today, not all, but a good chunk are really a bunch of whiny crybabies. Sanders appealed to the "give me free stuff" crowd, to say otherwise is just factually incorrect. In life you have to work hard and sacrifice at times. Not expect the government to take care of you. Yes, again, a certain level of that is fine, as I mentioned the social safety nets, but that stuff breeds laziness in my opinion. An opinion shared by a whole damn lot of people I might add.
I would say the "give me free stuff" is the donor class buying our politicians, getting trillions in return. Not people who suffer at the bottom who just want a decent shot in life.
Where is the specifics in what you are saying? I just see crybabies, kids, lazy etc etc. This is not specifics, thats just rhetoric.
Lets take disability benefits. People born with no arms, unable to walk and cant eat by themselves get $600 a month today. That can be you if you get a disease or are involved in a traffic accident. Do you feel $600 a month is sufficient? It is fine? Sanders talked about a teacher he met in West Virginia, working class coal country. 11 of the students in one of her class were homeless, living on the streets because their parents were drug addicts. What kind of society do we want to be? These kids deserve dignity too!
I would say the "give me free stuff" is the donor class buying our politicians, getting trillions in return. Not people who suffer at the bottom who just want a decent shot in life.
Where is the specifics in what you are saying? I just see crybabies, kids, lazy etc etc. This is not specifics, thats just rhetoric.
Lets take disability benefits. People born with no arms, unable to walk and cant eat by themselves get $600 a month today. That can be you if you get a disease or are involved in a traffic accident. Do you feel $600 a month is sufficient? It is fine? Sanders talked about a teacher he met in West Virginia, working class coal country. 11 of the students in one of her class were homeless, living on the streets because their parents were drug addicts. What kind of society do we want to be? These kids deserve dignity too!
Why are you harping on specifics. The OP listed some and I agreed. There were some specifics mentioned there. I'm too lazy to spend time looking it up, but I can pretty much assure you that your 600 dollar is a conditioned number. Disability SSI payments are on a sliding scale based on a lot of factors. Not everyone get that little I know because I've had family and friends over the years that were on it and it was a good chunk more than that. So you start throwing around silly numbers that aren't an across the board figure isn't correct.
Why are you harping on specifics. The OP listed some and I agreed. There were some specifics mentioned there. I'm too lazy to spend time looking it up, but I can pretty much assure you that your 600 dollar is a conditioned number. Disability SSI payments are on a sliding scale based on a lot of factors. Not everyone get that little I know because I've had family and friends over the years that were on it and it was a good chunk more than that. So you start throwing around silly numbers that aren't an across the board figure isn't correct.
SSI is $600 a month, maximum is $733. You are supposed to survive on that for housing, food, clothing, heating and everything else. Do you think it is fine? This is starvation levels for the most vulnerable people in society. I am sure if you couldnt eat, speak or walk by yourself, you would sing another tune. Its also interesting that America has the weakest social safety net of any developed country and one of the lowest number of people who are working. The countries that invest the most in the quality of life of their people have the highest share of their people working (Germany, Switzerland, Netherlands, Scandinavia etc). Perhaps because they actually believe investments in education, health care etc pay off?
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