The "American dream" isn't coming back (Sanders, fence, myth)
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Except that redistribution is immoral and we do not want to base an economic system on inherent injustice. Equality should not be a goal. The basis for complaining about income inequality is entirely emotional and envy-based. Basing economic policy on envy is unsound and evil.
Only in the minds of radical libertarians. The overall welfare of the countries population has always been a fair goal and remains . While there are some lunatics who would have the poor starve and die most of the US citizenry does not agree. And as such limit libertarian remain a fringe groupl it is not going to happen.
So you want to go to a VAT and such? OK. But that is really a simple veneer. You collect the money broadly but give it all and then some back to the low end.
It is a practical approach that is easy to collect particularly when tax avoidance both legal and illegal is common. Not sure that it is a good idea in the US when tax paying is an accepted duty.
Are you somehow asserting that paying taxes isn't considered an accepted duty in regressive-taxing Europe and Scandinavia? That's patently absurd. They're FAR more willing to pay taxes for what they get than are the US low- and middle-income earners.
If you want it, you have to pay. And so far the US low- and middle-income earners have been unwilling to pay. Pretty simple, really.
Are you somehow asserting that paying taxes isn't considered an accepted duty in regressive-taxing Europe and Scandinavia? That's patently absurd. They're FAR more willing to pay taxes for what they get than are the US low- and middle-income earners.
If you want it, you have to pay. And so far the US low- and middle-income earners have been unwilling to pay. Pretty simple, really.
And the recent disclosure of the Panama papers would indicate it is reasonably common.
I would also point out that the somewhat elitist countries may chose pragmatically that it is easier to get a VAT in and working then fighting the progressive income tax.
And as the chart I published shows we simply don't transfer at anywhere near the rates of much of Europe.
Only in the minds of radical libertarians. The overall welfare of the countries population has always been a fair goal and remains . While there are some lunatics who would have the poor starve and die most of the US citizenry does not agree. And as such limit libertarian remain a fringe groupl it is not going to happen.
The overall welfare of any country can never be achieved by theft. Capitalism is based on freedom and trade. If someone needs help, the correct response is to ask for it, not simply take it. The bankruptcy of your argument is obvious once your defense of it requires you to call someone with a different viewpoint a lunatic or a radical.
What can be less radical than trade, freedom, and negotiation without compulsion? What can be more radical than theft under the false guise of "compassion"? What can be more obvious than the proposition that compassion ends at the point of a gun?
There is no "overall welfare" when a system depends on the confiscation of private property. There is no "overall welfare" when one can proclaim a need, and form a state sanctioned mob to fill that "need" by putting a gun to the heads of others and taking their property to satisfy that "need".
Needing something does not create the right to take it.
And the recent disclosure of the Panama papers would indicate it is reasonably common.
I would also point out that the somewhat elitist countries may chose pragmatically that it is easier to get a VAT in and working then fighting the progressive income tax.
And as the chart I published shows we simply don't transfer at anywhere near the rates of much of Europe.
Transfers aren't the only data on that chart. Look at the VAT. That explains why the US doesn't transfer as much. The chart you yourself posted specifically indicates the higher the VAT tax rate, the higher the transfers. Duh.
And the recent disclosure of the Panama papers would indicate it is reasonably common.
I would also point out that the somewhat elitist countries may chose pragmatically that it is easier to get a VAT in and working then fighting the progressive income tax.
And as the chart I published shows we simply don't transfer at anywhere near the rates of much of Europe.
The European system is completely bankrupt and immoral, and that is why European countries that have embraced the collectivist-theft model are languishing. We see a backlash against that now in the form of Brexit and the rise of populist groups in nearly every country expressing outrage and frustration with economic policies that depend on stealing from Peter to give to Paul.
How can a society based on collectivistic theft ever hope to survive long term? It can't. It becomes a Greece, and then it falls apart.
Transfers aren't the only data on that chart. Look at the VAT. That explains why the US doesn't transfer as much. The chart you yourself posted specifically indicates the higher the VAT tax rate, the higher the transfers. Duh.
Your post is Duh. You keep erecting a straw man and shooting it. I have no problem with VAT or other such taxes and they are clearly easier to collect. Nor do I have a problem with capital gains taxes or even wealth taxes.
The message from the chart is simply we do not transfer enough. And that leads to poverty and societal problems. And with the oncoming slaughter of middle class jobs it is going to get much worse so we do need to do something that will limit the damage to our society.
The chart YOU posted supports exactly what I've said: the more regressive the tax system, the higher the rate of transfers. Or are you simply unable to understand the info a scatter plot chart displays?
The European system is completely bankrupt and immoral, and that is why European countries that have embraced the collectivist-theft model are languishing. We see a backlash against that now in the form of Brexit and the rise of populist groups in nearly every country expressing outrage and frustration with economic policies that depend on stealing from Peter to give to Paul.
How can a society based on collectivistic theft ever hope to survive long term? It can't. It becomes a Greece, and then it falls apart.
Check any of the lists for best countries or best country to live in or best country to raise children...
Guess what Scandinavian countries rank very high. Often better than the US. Go for poverty levels...same thing.
So all these bankrupt and immoral places turn out to be great places to live...
Your posts would be funny if they were not so sad...
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