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Old 01-10-2017, 10:48 AM
 
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An outgoing administration was not humiliated. The outgoing administration, the Obama administration, was not up for re-election and therefore could not lose.
The outgoing administration was indeed humiliated. That administration allowed HRC to use a private server, contrary to Federal law. That administration cannot deny knowledge of that system, as the released Clinton emails show POTUS as a recipient of some of those emails. That administration is part of the party that meddled in the primary process to favor Clinton over Sanders. That administration is part of the party that was demonstrated to have whole hearted, and obviously biased support from a fawning media, and proven by the DNC emails.
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Old 01-10-2017, 10:51 AM
 
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The DNC was not "hacked" they were morons who fell for a scam. Don't fall for internet scams.

The same scam was tried on the RNC and their email software pruned out the phishing email.
So what do you think should be done, if anything, about the theft and dissemination of private data from the DNC? I gave my opinion about that in the OP.
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Old 01-10-2017, 11:01 AM
 
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skepticratic,

We are not going to stop hacking other countries though, as I am confident you know very well.

Also, anyone who doesn't secure their data a lot better than the DNC did here should probably expect to have it stolen and used against them.
I'm not saying we're going to. I'm saying we should OR at the very least, drop this "we're the moral beacon of the world" crap that we all know is bull****.

As for the DNC's data, what specifically was insecure about it? The way I see it, the DNC was victim to a crime. Even if that crime lead to relevant revelations, like where Clinton's money is coming from and a possible reason as to why Sanders lost in the primaries, it's still a crime. And we'd never tell the victim of having their severs hacked that they should have known to secure the information better.
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Old 01-10-2017, 11:03 AM
 
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What bothers me is that Obama knew about this hacking more than a year before the election and said nothing.


what bothers me is that the Chinese stole millions of Americans records via hacking and Obama did nothing.


then when Hillary lost, he chooses to attack Russia over something he went month and months ignoring? doing things that make it harder for the guy who follows him to be president.


what bothers me is the degree of politics Obama is playing with this issue.


what bothers me is the idiocy in thinking only the Russians have the emails of the DNC considering Poesta's email password WAS PASSWORD.


I have notihng but TOS violating pejoratives for all of you trying to make this a huge issue.
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Old 01-10-2017, 11:11 AM
 
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I'm not saying we're going to. I'm saying we should OR at the very least, drop this "we're the moral beacon of the world" crap that we all know is bull****.

As for the DNC's data, what specifically was insecure about it? The way I see it, the DNC was victim to a crime. Even if that crime lead to relevant revelations, like where Clinton's money is coming from and a possible reason as to why Sanders lost in the primaries, it's still a crime. And we'd never tell the victim of having their severs hacked that they should have known to secure the information better.
By all means, the criminals who committed the crime should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. However, if we want to retaliate against a foreign country, we need to do that within the context of international agreeents and norms, especially with consideration of our national conduct, or misconduct in ths area of activity.

Knowing what we do about the conduct of our intelligence agencies even against our own citizens, not to mention towards foreign powers and individuals, if you were in Russia, how seriously wkuld you regard these sorts of recriminations?
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Old 01-10-2017, 02:30 PM
 
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So we're supposed to believe that the russians hacked Podesta and the DNC but never hacked the easy target of Hillary's private and illegal server in her house. Yeahhhh, right.
Tell us again about the Russians, George.
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Old 01-10-2017, 05:24 PM
 
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We hack them, they hack us, we all spy on each other and we meddle in elections all the time. Obama publically meddled in Brexit and the Israeli election.

All this Russia nonsense is lefty butt-hurtedness. No more complicated than that.
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Old 01-10-2017, 06:14 PM
 
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What bothers me is that Obama knew about this hacking more than a year before the election and said nothing.


what bothers me is that the Chinese stole millions of Americans records via hacking and Obama did nothing.


then when Hillary lost, he chooses to attack Russia over something he went month and months ignoring? doing things that make it harder for the guy who follows him to be president.


what bothers me is the degree of politics Obama is playing with this issue.


what bothers me is the idiocy in thinking only the Russians have the emails of the DNC considering Poesta's email password WAS PASSWORD.


I have nothing but TOS violating pejoratives for all of you trying to make this a huge issue.
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Such uproar about attempts to influence an election misplaced -- no focus at all on the content of the released e-mails. And no focus on the fact that Democrats (DNC) themselves conspired (meddled) to influence their own election process.
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Old 01-10-2017, 07:19 PM
 
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If this was about all of Russia's misconduct towards us and had this campaign been started sooner, it would be a lot easier to regard this as something more than the Democrat left lashing out and trying to shift responsibilities for their own electoral failures.
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Old 01-10-2017, 11:23 PM
 
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Isn't anybody else kind of concerned that everybody in our Intelligence Community are wearing tin foil helmets and muttering about the Russians hacking our precious bodily fluids?
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