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I don't understand why Trump or any other American would have an issue with the One China policy.
It's absolutely NOTHING to Americans whether Taiwan is independent or not. Doesn't affect this nation either way. China wants hegemony over their region. We want hegemony over ours.
So, what's the problem?
The US position is hypocritical, since it flies in the face of Self-Determination.
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Originally Posted by Toyman at Jewel Lake
Taiwan is an independent, democratic country. Why keep playing along with Beijing's delusion that it's a "province" they have any control over? It's like saying "but Hillary won the popular vote"-it enables a delusion.
No I think that we shouldnt send signals that we are going back on long standing policy, signals that threatens our relationships and stability in that region.
And lol@ questioning someone else's patriotism. How fascist.
I see I got a little too close to the truth for your comfort.
Obama has spent the last year turning our foreign policy completely upside-down empowering our enemies and stabbing our allies in the back, causing many countries to wonder if they can count on us and we didn't hear a single peep out of you, but now suddenly you're wringing your hands because Trump took a phone call? Yeah... when you reflexively side with our adversaries because you don't like our own leader, then you should have your patriotism questioned.
Lol....that's seriously like the 5th time I've seen that meme here in the last few weeks. Speculate on what Trump might do, then claim it will lead to nuclear war!
That's full birther crazy right there.
Alrighty lets discuss it then!
The question as asked what COULD they do. I answered it. I then clarified it very specifically on what I think they WILL do.
I've spent a long time in China. I have Chinese friends, and I am very familiar with both the country and the people.
They really do mean it about the whole Taiwan thing. No joke. And without a doubt if push comes to shove they will use their military to defend what they state is their country.
The south China sea is more complex. Yeah they're claiming it too, but at least some of them know its kind of a grab. Despite that, once things get warm the Chinese will demonstrate some amazing ultra nationalistic views.
And finally...they NEED this. they need to have someone to blame, and an external enemy because despite outward appearances their economy is in trouble. And they truly need a small war to keep their population distracted. Non nuclear, and preferably all naval and air.
Its not so much Trump in this, as its what China wants. Trump is just making it easy.
I see I got a little too close to the truth for your comfort.
Obama has spent the last year turning our foreign policy completely upside-down empowering our enemies and stabbing our allies in the back, causing many countries to wonder if they can count on us and we didn't hear a single peep out of you, but now suddenly you're wringing your hands because Trump took a phone call? Yeah... when you reflexively side with our adversaries because you don't like our own leader, then you should have your patriotism questioned.
China is militarizing the South China Sea. China felt that it could pull that off without repercussions - at least from Obama, the Philippines, Japan and other countries in that area. Establishing relations with Taiwan is one 'tool' that could be used to 'contain' the growing, ambitious, militarization program of China. But I am sure there are other ways available. I just don't think anything should be off the table until we see some progress and respect for our concerns.
By the way the Philippines were always our allies and now, thanks to our current administration; they are turning their backs to us and embracing China. We need a leader that looks at all our problems in that area and forms positive solutions. Our press has been ignoring this growing problem and it is upsetting the balance of power.
China is rapidly building five man-made islands from tiny reefs and shoals in the South China Sea, U.S. officials say, sparking concern that Beijing is growing more assertive in the disputed waters even as the United States boosts its own forces in the western Pacific.
Russia moves into Crimea which has centuries old ties of actual Russians who in all likely were going to see ethnic cleansing from US backed Nazi puppets just like we saw in Odessa where Russian were mascaraed at the behest Victoria Nuland. Meanwhile China protects the fish.
I think I see what is going on here. The Democrats are trying to link up with their red Chinese communist allies on the mainland while leveraging their socialist ally Germany led by the East German raised Merkel.
Its a little over the top, but the only explanation is the Democratic party is owned by China.
Its a little over the top, but the only explanation is the Democratic party is owned by China.
Its more that business interests have used their leverage in order to get into China. They have discovered recently however that China is all about the Chinese, and they basically use foriegn companies for knowledge transfer, then they toss them out.
Smart money is now running from China (witness the historic currency outflows). The Republicans were on board with it as well.
In the end it was all about money. Russia is viewed as some great investment opportunity, but really its too economically damaged to really replace China.
Trumps thinks he is going to use Taiwan and the south china sea islands as leverage to get a better deal. The problem with this is that China has some history about things like this, and being forced to trade. Its way too easy to mis step here and have them act in ways that we do not really understand.
The other side of it though is-someones got to stop them from grabbing territory. They've been very aggressive in taking land, and stealing intellectual property that is not theirs. They are not our friends anymore then Russia is.
Taiwan is an independent, democratic country. Why keep playing along with Beijing's delusion that it's a "province" they have any control over? It's like saying "but Hillary won the popular vote"-it enables a delusion.
We haven't recognized their independence. So until we do, I don't recognize it either.
It's not worth a war anyway. Again, it's NOTHING to us whether Taiwan is independent or under Chinese control. The Cold War is over. We have no huge national interests in Taiwan no matter what. If China walked in and took it tomorrow, my shelves at Target will look no different than they do today. Gas will still be available for my car. I'll still have cable. And there will be meat for my grill.
Its more that business interests have used their leverage in order to get into China. They have discovered recently however that China is all about the Chinese, and they basically use foriegn companies for knowledge transfer, then they toss them out.
Smart money is now running from China (witness the historic currency outflows). The Republicans were on board with it as well.
In the end it was all about money. Russia is viewed as some great investment opportunity, but really its too economically damaged to really replace China.
Trumps thinks he is going to use Taiwan and the south china sea islands as leverage to get a better deal. The problem with this is that China has some history about things like this, and being forced to trade. Its way too easy to mis step here and have them act in ways that we do not really understand.
The other side of it though is-someones got to stop them from grabbing territory. They've been very aggressive in taking land, and stealing intellectual property that is not theirs. They are not our friends anymore then Russia is.
Why? China wants hegemony over Asia. We want hegemony over the Americas and we've done a LOT of killing in this hemisphere to maintain it.
If you're interested in stopping Chinese irredentism, unleash South Korea and Japan. Let them play their natural roles as a bulwark against Chinese intentions.
But that's not our role to play on the other side of the world.
Or they could use nuclear weapons to remove several large cities, and see if they survive it better then we do.
Most likely though will be a naval engagement in their backyard where they can project power well. Probably a few missile attacks on critical us infrastructure.
I suspect that the US will win, but they will hurt us. Russia may pick their side as well, and engage us as well. Both of them combined will make for aa very painful war that we would probably still win.
china is not going to go to war with the US without good reason, and sorry but backtracking on the one china policy is not a good reason to go to war. the china leadership is not stupid.
Its more that business interests have used their leverage in order to get into China. They have discovered recently however that China is all about the Chinese, and they basically use foriegn companies for knowledge transfer, then they toss them out.
While we are slapping ourselves on our backs for our technology; we gave it all away to a communist country with many times the manpower of the US. They took our best ideas and are now the world leaders: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/21/t...gain.html?_r=0. Outsourcing has really worked for the Chinese - we just don't understand what is happening.
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