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Old 01-13-2017, 04:24 PM
 
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^^^^This. But it will not happen. The insurance and pharmaceutical industries have their claws sunk in to the system.
In part it won't happen because those who want it won't vote for it.

 
Old 01-13-2017, 04:25 PM
 
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All of these things cost something and we were NOT paying for them. I support UHC BUT as importantly I support paying for it and in part, paying for it by ending the middle man.
Agreed. I would be happy to pay for all of these things directly, and cut out the middle man altogether, who never should have had a place between a patient and their healthcare provider in the first place. This is one area where capitalism is a bad idea. Shareholders shouldn't have a say in what medical treatment someone receives.
 
Old 01-13-2017, 04:25 PM
 
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Want to know what I TRULY love about Prices plan? what it will do to Trumps core supporters. The ones who refused to buy healthcare? To avoid that $1,000 a year fine?

Because they will not have had insurance for 18 months prior, their insurance rate will be set to 150% of normal. LOL. I will be amazed if they dont find a way to fix that, but even better is how it financially punishes people even more for things then the ACA did.

On the other hand all the useless plans that have huge deducts will be back, and insurance for everyone will start to skyrocket as those with insurance begin to pay for all those who want to mooch off of others.
 
Old 01-13-2017, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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Folks are looking at pre-existing conditions but there are quite a few other, maybe lesser but important, elements to Obamacare that will be gone in a couple weeks:

Women can go to gynecologist without a referral - GONE!
Included birth control -GONE!
Employers can't impose waiting periods to be eligible for coverage - GONE!
Insurers can't put lifetime limits on coverage - GONE!
Reduction and closing of the donut hole in Medicare prescriptions - GONE!
Insurers can't terminate coverage for claims - GONE!
Insurers can't raise premiums on an individual basis - GONE!
Rights to appeal denial of coverage - GONE!

There are many more "abuses" like this that were outlawed by the ACA that will all become legal again upon repeal.

didn't knwo you wrote the new plan? hmm
what they take away is to be seen if they take it away - all I know the INS industry be darmend if they lose any money-- so more to come
 
Old 01-13-2017, 04:29 PM
 
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Want to know what I TRULY love about Prices plan? what it will do to Trumps core supporters. The ones who refused to buy healthcare? To avoid that $1,000 a year fine?

Because they will not have had insurance for 18 months prior, their insurance rate will be set to 150% of normal. LOL. I will be amazed if they dont find a way to fix that, but even better is how it financially punishes people even more for things then the ACA did.

On the other hand all the useless plans that have huge deducts will be back, and insurance for everyone will start to skyrocket as those with insurance begin to pay for all those who want to mooch off of others.
Huge deductibles and co-pays never left.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/15/u...t-useless.html
 
Old 01-13-2017, 04:30 PM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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Very simple - make Medicare available to everyone. It does not kick people off for pre-existing conditions and won't kick you off if they don't feel like insuring you any more. Only way to get kicked off is by not paying them.
The problem with that is that the only reason medicare functions is because you pay for it for 65 years before you can use it.
 
Old 01-13-2017, 04:35 PM
 
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Huge deductibles and co-pays never left.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/15/u...t-useless.html
Let me be more clear. a 3,000 deductable is not high. We're going to be seeing 20K deductables on highly limited plans.

And when things go bad we will once again learn those plans dont cover beans. Hospitals will eat the cost, and pass it on to those with insurance.
 
Old 01-13-2017, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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The problem with that is that the only reason medicare functions is because you pay for it for 65 years before you can use it.
Then if you get sick for 18 months you go thru all your Medicare and life's savings (including the house, cars, stocks...all assets) before being put on Medicaid.

Then you die in a nursing home.

Don't forget to vote folks! And God bless America!
 
Old 01-13-2017, 04:38 PM
 
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Let me be more clear. a 3,000 deductable is not high.
To hell it aint when you don't have it. "You haven't met your deductible yet, we will need $350 today".

Off to the E.R.

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We're going to be seeing 20K deductables on highly limited plans.

And when things go bad we will once again learn those plans dont cover beans. Hospitals will eat the cost, and pass it on to those with insurance.

That hadn't changed either. Much of it if not many or most of the Obamacare claims were completely bogus. Obamacare was created on the back of lies after lie. It's why it's not going to survive. Will that harm some? It likely will. Those who lied constantly should have thought about that.
 
Old 01-13-2017, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Huge deductibles and co-pays never left.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/15/u...t-useless.html
In the first year of the exchange there were several plans in my state that had zero deductible and $10 copays. There were over 100 separate plans from about a dozen or so insurers. The prices were lower than comparable plans through my employer. Of course, that's all gone now as the young and healthy did not enroll and the insurers took it on the chin. I think had there been some real teeth in the mandate, and some better subsidies for young people, Obamacare would have worked fairly well. It's not too late to try, but the GOP is going to pull the plug and flush the baby with the bath water. There is going to be real hardship for people in the next couple years.
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