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Old 01-30-2017, 10:14 AM
 
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Iran does not stop refugees. This just don't get many. Iran does not share a border with Syria. To get to Iran from Syria refugee would have to cross through Iraq mostly through lands held by ISIS. Not too smart. It's much easier to get to Europe and the allure of peace and prosperity seems to be a much greater draw than risking your life with ISIS only to get to another repressive society. FWIW, Iran also does not speak the same language as Syrians and there is not a big Arab-speaking expat group there like in Europe.
Exactly. It is funny how often such threads are started. In one, I posted a map of the area in question, and asked the OP of that thread which way he would head if he was fleeing for his life. A reasonable person in Syria, already living close to the sea, would have to be foolish indeed to say "Think I shall walk several hundreds of miles, through the deserts of Iraq, to reach Saudi Arabia".


Here is another link to such a map. Study it, and get back to us.


http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middl...t_pol_2003.jpg
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Old 01-30-2017, 10:14 AM
 
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Would make more sense . They share the same language and culture etc

We are under no obligation to take in refugees from countries where they are brainwashed to hate the west and Christianity from birth .
Right, and they won't take them but CNN and the media don't really talk about that
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Old 01-30-2017, 10:17 AM
 
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Iran does not stop refugees. This just don't get many. Iran does not share a border with Syria. To get to Iran from Syria refugee would have to cross through Iraq mostly through lands held by ISIS. Not too smart. It's much easier to get to Europe and the allure of peace and prosperity seems to be a much greater draw than risking your life with ISIS only to get to another repressive society. FWIW, Iran also does not speak the same language as Syrians and there is not a big Arab-speaking expat group there like in Europe.
Iran and other Islamic countries also do not make a concerted effort to recruit refugees. Iran is a lot closer than the United States. If they were more welcoming, they would get many more refugees. The United States does not share a border with Syria either yet the burden of accepting refugees is placed on our shoulders. Culturally, they have more in common Iranians than they do the United States. Fundamentally, they have the same faith and cultural values.
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Old 01-30-2017, 10:19 AM
 
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The more important question is, why aren't these countries also criticized for not taking in refugees?


If America doesn't take them, we are condemned by the world. But it's okay for other countries to refuse them? There shouldn't be a double standard.


I also think people should be screened about their feelings towards America in order to be granted any refuge here. If they hate America or hate Americans, they shouldn't be allowed to come here even if they are fleeing persecution elsewhere.
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Old 01-30-2017, 10:21 AM
 
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There are about 1 million registered Afghan refugees in Iran.
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Old 01-30-2017, 10:27 AM
 
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I love how Democrats in this country conveniently overlook how these Islamic countries are not accepting refugees from Syria. Why is that burden placed on us. I wish Trump would acknowledge this and shine a light on how these countries are conveniently hiding in the shadows when these countries also want no part in hosting refugrees particarly Saudi Arabia.
What's even more interesting and strange at this juncture, is how three of the places you mention are not on the birther-in-chief's Muslim ban list because he does business with them. Don't you find that odd?
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Old 01-30-2017, 10:33 AM
 
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If you mean Syrian refugees--the same reason Trump supporters don't want to take them. Discrimination (wrong sect), xenophobia and fear.
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Old 01-30-2017, 10:33 AM
 
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I love how Democrats in this country conveniently overlook how these Islamic countries are not accepting refugees from Syria. Why is that burden placed on us. I wish Trump would acknowledge this and shine a light on how these countries are conveniently hiding in the shadows when these countries also want no part in hosting refugrees particarly Saudi Arabia.
Spreading Islam to a country that is already under Islamic rule doesn't help the Caliphate now does it?
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Old 01-30-2017, 10:34 AM
 
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With all due respect, you are simply being an apologist on their behalf and not holding them accountable.

American values are somehow not fundamentally juxtaposed to their Shi'a ideology? That didn't stop us from accepting them so why should it stop them. It shouldn't. They can make exception but they are choosing not to. That's just a weak excuse.

The ISIS reason is an excuse. Wealthy countries like the UAE and Saudia Arabia do not want to feed, clothe and shelter their fellow Islamic residents. They are just being elitist and want the United States do that for them. It is just unfortunate that you and other Americans are too timid to hold them accountable to do their part in this ordeal.
Wrong. Look at what I was replying to.

Your argument is a strawman. I never said they shouldn't do more, but what I did do was shut down the assertion that their unwillingness to accept refugees was tied to some islamophobic claim that they were trying to spread Shari'a.
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Old 01-30-2017, 10:38 AM
 
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It's amazing how many conversations about this topic go on without Americans stating the obvious first!

"Since America decided to pursue wrongheaded wars in Iraq and elsewhere and therefore destabilized and brought to war the entire middle east - why don't these other countries, who often didn't support those wars, take responsibility that we should be taking?"/

How's that for a more accurate framing of the question?

Is this really the way American works now? We have the right to bomb and mess up the delicate balance of the entire world and then complain that others don't fix the fallout...while skirting our own basic responsibilities?

It's hard to debate such an issue. Really. It's like breaking all the delicate china in Tiffanys and then complaining as to why Dunkin Donuts won't fix the problems.
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