Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
People who try to insert political conspiracy theories into actual science are stupid. There, I said it.
And Matadora was right on with the Carbon isotope measurements but the people who think its all a big conspiracy against their political philosophy du jour will probably lack the logic to understand what s/he is talking about. No, the Japanese/Swedish/German/etc scientists, all producing research that matches the consensus view, are not doing it because they don't like Donald Trump.
The idea that global warming is settled in of itself is telling of it's politics and not it's science. All scientists know that few things are ever settled, and even things like gravity which have been known for 300+ years are still up for discussion. Things being settled is not science, it's a political agenda. Btw climate change = the seasons!
The earth is still normalizing from the end of the last ice age which just ended about 11k years ago.
11,000 years in the grand scheme of the earth is nothing. It's like...1/1000 of a second of your life.
A few years ago the Great Lakes water levels lowered they tried to claim that was global warming, then like 2 years after that, the water levels went back up and they tried to claim that was due to global warming too.
It's so sad you can't make this stuff up...this is their science.
I would hope the denialists would just take a couple minutes to read this post. Read it and think about what you are reading. That would be a good first step towards understanding climate change.
The deniers deny the government obsession with collecting tax money to be redistributed with no measurable results.
It is elitist and dangerous to disregard people deemed scientific illiterate. Science is only as agood as its collection, interpretation and the ability to communicate it effectively to non scientific audience.
To throw out high level scientific data and then claim only 'the few' are capable of understanding it, and the 'others' are naive little children who should be seen but not heard, is the stuff of a despotic government and cause for alarm.
Show us the measurable effectiveness of the money spent to date. Otherwise the govenment has no solution. Wouldn't be the first time all the effort was an end unto itself.
The environment deserves respect, the government trying to intercede with the gods on our behalf, not so much.
To throw out high level scientific data and then claim only 'the few' are capable of understanding it, and the 'others' are naive little children who should be seen but not heard, is the stuff of a despotic government and cause for alarm.
The sad thing is, it is NOT high level or particularly difficult to understand scientific data. It is high school level at best. Yes, they teach about isotopes in high school.
The sad thing is, it is NOT high level or particularly difficult to understand scientific data. It is high school level at best. Yes, they talk about isotopes in high school.
lmao...Dude, the scientific community doesn't even completely understand what they are looking at.
lmao...Dude, the scientific community doesn't even completely understand what they are looking at.
They understand the concentration of human created vs natural carbon isotopes in the atmosphere - which is empirically measurable, which was the context of the post you just replied to.
They understand the concentration of human created vs natural carbon isotopes in the atmosphere, which was the context of the post you just replied to.
They might be able to identify their sources but they still have no idea what the actual relationship between CO2 and our atmosphere actually is. They can't even get their models to work right. That right there demonstrates 100% that they still have a ton left to learn.
They might be able to identify their sources but they still have no idea what the actual relationship between CO2 and our atmosphere actually is. They can't even get their models to work right. That right there demonstrates 100% that they still have a ton left to learn.
Sigh, your gonna have to learn to not put words in my mouth if you want to continue this conversation. I mean, you could just have your own conversation with your strawman headspace version of what I am trying to say if you want.
What I have ACTUALLY SAID SO FAR:
The science on carbon isotope concentrations is not that hard to understand (high school level)
Injecting political conspiracy theories into scientific discussion is idiotic
What I have NOT SAID:
Science is done learning about climate change
Science knows 100% of all factors about climate change
The current scientific simulation models are flawless and perfect
Also:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dbones
...they still have no idea what the actual relationship between CO2 and our atmosphere actually is.
Yes, they do. Not knowing 100% of all possible effects is not the same as not having a good idea as to what the primary ones are.
Last edited by zzzSnorlax; 02-14-2017 at 12:28 PM..
Sigh, your gonna have to learn to not put words in my mouth if you want to continue this conversation. I mean, you could just have your own conversation with your strawman headspace version of what I am trying to say if you want.
What I have ACTUALLY SAID SO FAR:
The science on carbon isotope concentrations is not that hard to understand (high school level)
Injecting political conspiracy theories into scientific discussion is idiotic
What I have NOT SAID:
Science is done learning about climate change
Science knows 100% of all factors about climate change The current scientific simulation models are flawless and perfect
The sentence in bold should be rewritten to say:
The current and past scientific simulation models are 100% flawed as NONE of them have been accurate... because so much of this scientific THEORY has been based on correlation, NOT causation.
Not once has the scientific community produced a scientific model that represents the historical data which clearly and repeatedly demonstrates atmospheric CO2 levels may have increased as a result of global warming, not the other way around. If these cycles of elevated warming and then a lagging elevation of atmospheric CO2 are measurable from cycles where there wasn't a single combustion engine, with the indicators of the event taking hundreds, if not thousands of years to be measured, HOW can these dolts ASSUME the opposite is occurring in this time frame, when the elevated levels of CO2 could just be slowly catching up with warmer climate, as it has done repeatedly in the past?
The crap they are spewing is nothing more than religious (CAGW) dogma. There is absolutely ZERO scientific evidence from millions of years of history that elevated atmospheric CO2 levels CAUSED global warming. There is more than plenty scientific evidence from millions of years of history that global warming may have CAUSED elevated atmospheric CO2 levels.
One simply cannot discount their measured data which shows cycles over millions of years where cyclical global warming may have CAUSED lagging elevated atmospheric CO2 levels. To do so on THIS cycle, discarding all historical data, would require an ulterior motive, maybe and most likely a political one.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. The CAGW (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming) THEORY is nothing but a SCAM. It is a LIE based on a redistribution of wealth political agenda. It is nothing more and nothing less.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
