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Old 02-19-2017, 05:36 AM
 
Location: Maine
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And when Romney spoke against Russia you neocons were cheering him on and in lockstep about the evil Russian menace. Now your Il Duce is kissing Putin's butt and the story is they are just nice guys we should court.
Please make up your minds and ditch the hypocrisy.
The fact is, most do not see "Russia" as an enemy. Rather, we know for a fact that Russian politicians interfered with our election and we have no idea of the extent to which the incoming trump administration colluded in this.
Putin, like trump, is a well-known and admitted fraud and liar. In Putin's case, a murderer or at least someone who has had murder committed for him.
These are not nice, good guys.
They are, instead, autocrats who seek to complete the work necessary to make both nations essentially oil companies with armies, forever profiting from wars.
And when Romney said Russia is our biggest threat, liberals snickered! Now liberals claim Russia is our biggest threat. So which is it? Romney was just that much more perceptive than Obama--Obama is not the sharpest knife in the kitchen.

In Clinton's case, she is a well-known and admitted fraud and liar. Hillary and Bill Clinton have had individuals silenced through 'unexplainable' accidents (mechanical failures) and surprising 'suicides' when these people knew of their dirty dealings and could possibly threaten their position/power in the U.S.

Clintons are not nice, decent people. Trump isn't exactly either, but he doesn't pretend to be. He is not a phony. Hillary is a huge phony and fraud.
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Old 02-19-2017, 07:27 AM
 
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"If they are moved to leak, it's not partisan"

If I read you incorrectly, I apologize up front if I am wrong.

IMO, it is ALL ABOUT PARTISANSHIP.

These are mostly Obama leftovers and wanted to continue his policies with Hillary and will do whatever they can , and get awat with, to help destroy Trump's presidency.
Oh, nonsense.

The Intelligence Community is made up of 16 agencies with almost a half million government employees (including military). The career and senior level people (GS-12 to 15 and Senior Executive Service) are people who have been in the Intelligence Community through five to seven presidential administrations.
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Old 02-19-2017, 09:43 AM
 
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Oh, nonsense.

The Intelligence Community is made up of 16 agencies with almost a half million government employees (including military). The career and senior level people (GS-12 to 15 and Senior Executive Service) are people who have been in the Intelligence Community through five to seven presidential administrations.
I think you are jumping to conclusions and m misrepresenting what I have said.


I THINK it is the political appointees, or former appointees, of which there are plenty of them.

"Tony Shaffer, a retired lieutenant colonel and intelligence expert,"

"Employees of the intelligence agencies Shaffer suspected to be involved in the leaks are "mid-level managers" and "former political appointees who burrowed themselves into the infrastructure as career intelligence officers."

Tony Shaffer: Obama Holdovers Withholding Intel From Trump Admin | Fox News Insider

He cold be right or he could be wrong.

We NEED to find out.

Do you agree?
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Old 02-19-2017, 10:22 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Default The issues need to be addressed

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...

"Tony Shaffer, a retired lieutenant colonel and intelligence expert,"

...

He cold be right or he could be wrong.

We NEED to find out.

...
The issues @ the heart of the matter need to be investigated & resolved. Shaffer's charges are peripheral - this is a retired Lt. Col. from the US Army Reserve, & apparently the source on Able Danger & a memoir & a novel. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthon...nce_officer%29

It's not clear to me - was he ever regular US Army? His memoir is back from when he was a reports officer in Afghanistan.

& no offense to the Reserves - they served a brutal number of rotations in the Middle East, as the US regular troop strength was drawn down & the Reserves had to be ready to step in. The Reserves suffered a lot of casualties, WIA & KIA.
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Old 02-19-2017, 02:57 PM
 
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I think you are jumping to conclusions and m misrepresenting what I have said.


I THINK it is the political appointees, or former appointees, of which there are plenty of them.

"Tony Shaffer, a retired lieutenant colonel and intelligence expert,"

"Employees of the intelligence agencies Shaffer suspected to be involved in the leaks are "mid-level managers" and "former political appointees who burrowed themselves into the infrastructure as career intelligence officers."

Tony Shaffer: Obama Holdovers Withholding Intel From Trump Admin | Fox News Insider

He cold be right or he could be wrong.

We NEED to find out.

Do you agree?
Stuff and nonsense, unless he can name names. Who are these "former political appointees" who in eight years became "career intelligence officers?"
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Old 02-20-2017, 05:37 AM
 
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The issues @ the heart of the matter need to be investigated & resolved. Shaffer's charges are peripheral - this is a retired Lt. Col. from the US Army Reserve, & apparently the source on Able Danger & a memoir & a novel. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthon...nce_officer%29

It's not clear to me - was he ever regular US Army? His memoir is back from when he was a reports officer in Afghanistan.

& no offense to the Reserves - they served a brutal number of rotations in the Middle East, as the US regular troop strength was drawn down & the Reserves had to be ready to step in. The Reserves suffered a lot of casualties, WIA & KIA.
"The issues @ the heart of the matter need to be investigated & resolved."

I agree 100%
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Old 02-20-2017, 05:41 AM
 
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Stuff and nonsense, unless he can name names. Who are these "former political appointees" who in eight years became "career intelligence officers?"
"Stuff and nonsense,"

That's pretty definative statement.

Do you know each and everyone of these PERSONALLY?

"Who are these....?"

THAT is what an investigation should find out.

P.S. It is NOT unusual for tis to happen.

I have witnessed it personally during my career with Uncle Sam.

I ALSO am FROM D.C. and have seen a lot of "stuff" going on.
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Old 02-20-2017, 05:47 AM
 
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I think you are jumping to conclusions and m misrepresenting what I have said.


I THINK it is the political appointees, or former appointees, of which there are plenty of them.

"Tony Shaffer, a retired lieutenant colonel and intelligence expert,"

"Employees of the intelligence agencies Shaffer suspected to be involved in the leaks are "mid-level managers" and "former political appointees who burrowed themselves into the infrastructure as career intelligence officers."

Tony Shaffer: Obama Holdovers Withholding Intel From Trump Admin | Fox News Insider

He cold be right or he could be wrong.

We NEED to find out.

Do you agree?

It was already proven to be false ,the intel agencies and Trumps team said so.
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Old 02-20-2017, 05:51 AM
 
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"Stuff and nonsense,"



Do you know each and everyone of these PERSONALLY?

"Who are these....?"



I have witnessed it personally during my career with Uncle Sam.

I ALSO am FROM D.C. and have seen a lot of "stuff" going on.


Living in DC doesn't mean you are on the inside,having a "career with Uncle Same" could mean you're a Mailman...so it carries no weight.

You lost the argument as soon as you threw this out....
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Do you know each and everyone of these PERSONALLY?

"Who are these....?"
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Old 02-20-2017, 06:02 AM
 
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"Stuff and nonsense,"

That's pretty definative statement.

Do you know each and everyone of these PERSONALLY?

"Who are these....?"

THAT is what an investigation should find out.

P.S. It is NOT unusual for tis to happen.

I have witnessed it personally during my career with Uncle Sam.

I ALSO am FROM D.C. and have seen a lot of "stuff" going on.
I know how careers in the Beltway intelligence community work. The people in substantive intelligence production roles will not be appointed wunderkinder, they will be people who have been in the business for decades.

There are only so many and certain positions that can even be appointed by the president rather than filled through the Civil Service mechanism--and Civil Service people will make sure those are tightly controlled--so any appointed positions can be identified by anyone who claims their occupants are working in the interests of a past administration.

It's up to the person making a new assertion to prove it. Presidential appointments are not secret, every one is public information. So if someone is asserting that they're causing trouble for the new president, then name their names.
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