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Old 02-16-2017, 01:50 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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When Obama was in office, the Trumpsters painted him as wholly incompetent to run this nation, but now that Trump displays on a daily basis how inept, under-qualified, and truly un-fit for the office he is, NOW Obama is a Machiavellian genius pulling the strings from a "Shadow" government. Just goes to show you, the people clamoring loudest about accepting personal responsibly are the first to point fingers whenever things don't go their way.

Trump is president, it is his watch, he is ultimately responsible for everything the executive branch does.
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Old 02-16-2017, 03:06 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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lol . Yes, blame Obama when everything else fails.
Well, you people blamed Bush for everything, did you not? But this happens to be true. Obama is at work trying to destroy this administration. It's a verifiable fact. Deal with it.
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Old 02-16-2017, 03:07 PM
 
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People should NOT take everything claimed by Snowden as the Gospel truth.
Why did Obama throw everything including the kitchen sink in vain attempt to capture him?
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Old 02-16-2017, 03:07 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Man, RWNJs and Fox just can't let go of their whipping boy, Obama.

BTW, foreign ambassadors and other foreigners telecommunications are routinely monitored. It's just that this time they were caught talking to people who should NOT have been communicating with them. Members of Tramp's campaign broke the law when they contacted Russians before Tramp was even elected.
Well, for your information, the story also appeared in the New York Post, which is where Fox got it.
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Old 02-16-2017, 03:08 PM
 
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Oh no - the shadow government!
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Old 02-16-2017, 03:11 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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I have no idea who Tramp might be.

Please cite the law that prevents a private individual from talking to ANY Russian citizen.
Flynn broke NO laws. This has been confirmed by multiple sources. Obama fired Flynn. He's pissed that Trump hired him, and this is his way of payback.

This is all so obvious, a blind man could see it.
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Old 02-16-2017, 03:17 PM
 
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When Obama was in office, the Trumpsters painted him as wholly incompetent to run this nation, but now that Trump displays on a daily basis how inept, under-qualified, and truly un-fit for the office he is, NOW Obama is a Machiavellian genius pulling the strings from a "Shadow" government. Just goes to show you, the people clamoring loudest about accepting personal responsibly are the first to point fingers whenever things don't go their way.

Trump is president, it is his watch, he is ultimately responsible for everything the executive branch does.

Cause Obama's the man! He can do wonders-any Trump screw ups are because of Obama and not because Trump is incapable of running a presidency.

Does anyone in this administration really know how government is supposed to work? There is no fresh air or draining the swamp when you surround yourself with people who were big contributors to your campaign or who are only yes men. That is business as usual not 'shaking things up'.
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Old 02-16-2017, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Secure Bunker
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Nothing illegal in monitoring calls to Russian embassy. If they catch a traitor in Trump campaign while doing their jobs, then it only proves they did their job well.
Wrong. The law states that if a US citizen is on one end of the call they are required to end monitoring unless they have a warrant.

Further, it is a federal felony to release the content of that call to anyone without a clearance and a need to know.
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Old 02-16-2017, 07:31 PM
 
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" So Obama was using his intelligence community to secretly monitor Trump campaigns and communications... "

Yesterday, I would have said this claim is a little out there. After looking at transcripts today, it's pretty apparent his administration is bugged. So, who knows, perhaps they monitored the campaign too. At this point, I don't know that Obama was/is in on it. I'm guessing someone he appointed hired some really bad guys.

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Old 02-16-2017, 07:39 PM
 
Location: Texas
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" So Obama was using his intelligence community to secretly monitor Trump campaigns and communications... "

Yesterday, I would have said this claim is a little out there. After, looking at transcripts today, it's pretty apparent his administration is bugged. So, who knows, perhaps they monitored the campaign too. At this point, I don't know that Obama was/is in on it. I'm guessing someone he appointed hired some really bad guys.

ALL administrations have been monitoring Russian communications for the past seven decades or so.

It's no secret.
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