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Yes, we lived on 100 acres and were self supporting. When the depression happened it increased our lifestyle. My mother always was so proud of our acquisition of the farm. My parents started out as sharecroppers and when my father passed away from cancer at age 58 he left enough for my mother to live off of until she died at 85. If you are putting that down, go ahead.
Did your parents continue to farm and did they ever get farm subsidies? Most farmers do get them.
Have you ever collected the Earned Income Credit or the Child Tax Credit?
Both of those are government handouts.
Did you ever attend school and get a Pell Grant? That's a handout.
We have a good many "handouts" in our society. If people are fortunate enough not to qualify for them, that is wonderful. But, these "handouts" can pull people on the edge of poverty out of it and into more productive lives as adults.
This is a positive thing.
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Why does this always have to be brought up again and again ? Do people just ignore the fact that many more highly skilled high paying jobs come along with those "low skill" manufacturing jobs ? As far as how it effects the rest of the world...sorry, I live here in the U.S. and care about this country not others.
I don't think people ignore this at all.
I think people realize that most of the people looking for the return of manufacturing jobs do not qualify for those highly-skilled, high-paying jobs to which you are referring.
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I think people realize that most of the people looking for the return of manufacturing jobs do not qualify for those highly-skilled, high-paying jobs to which you are referring.
And that is where I think you are wrong. My opinion though. You wouldn't know unless you've lived thru it.
I think people realize that most of the people looking for the return of manufacturing jobs do not qualify for those highly-skilled, high-paying jobs to which you are referring.
exactly- they don't want to make the effort to be retrained for a high skilled job...they want a job to provide a middle class living that isn't viable anymore...nobody is going to pay 70K a year to someone in the US when they can pay someone in Vietnam 5K to do the exact same thing. But rather than retrain or learn new skills to compete in the global economy they simply want to government to stop the world and risk every other facet of the US's well being to give them what they feel is their birthright....but that's not a handout right??
Did your parents continue to farm and did they ever get farm subsidies? Most farmers do get them.
Have you ever collected the Earned Income Credit or the Child Tax Credit?
Both of those are government handouts.
Did you ever attend school and get a Pell Grant? That's a handout.
We have a good many "handouts" in our society. If people are fortunate enough not to qualify for them, that is wonderful. But, these "handouts" can pull people on the edge of poverty out of it and into more productive lives as adults.
This is a positive thing.
I don't know about farm subsidies. I know my parents did not approve of them. I remember my dad coming home and telling us the local agriculture agent told him he could get money for not planting cotton on his land. My dad had never planted cotton on his land in his lifetime. It is time for the unnecessary handouts to stop.
My husband got VA money for going to school but felt he had earned it since he got so little pay in the Air Force. That paid enough for both of our college tuition since he was working when we went to college.
I am sure we could have qualified for food stamps at that time but I am smart enough to feed our family healthy food on what he made. I also had what my father-in-law called a sheet garden right behind our home which sat on 1/3 acre.
The problem is we have too many people who could get by without it taking advantage of the other taxpayers who are probably living off less than the takers and paying taxes so the takers can take advantage.
About those Pell Grants. Some really rich families let their children move away from home and be on their own to qualify for them. This is a common thing. I would estimate that 1/10 of people getting government hand outs really need them. And the cell phones?? Totally unnecessary. Our taxpayers are being taken for a ride by selfish people.
This country needs those Rust Belt jobs. Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it. The south lost the civil war because they had so few factories and could not get supplies. Our leaders and those on here who think we don't need the manufacturing jobs might want to think about that.
Trump is now and will probably continue to be an excellent president. A business man will always be a better president than a community organizer or a socialist. Socialism has never worked.
I don't know about farm subsidies. I know my parents did not approve of them. I remember my dad coming home and telling us the local agriculture agent told him he could get money for not planting cotton on his land. My dad had never planted cotton on his land in his lifetime. It is time for the unnecessary handouts to stop.
My husband got VA money for going to school but felt he had earned it since he got so little pay in the Air Force. That paid enough for both of our college tuition since he was working when we went to college.
I am sure we could have qualified for food stamps at that time but I am smart enough to feed our family healthy food on what he made. I also had what my father-in-law called a sheet garden right behind our home which sat on 1/3 acre.
The problem is we have too many people who could get by without it taking advantage of the other taxpayers who are probably living off less than the takers and paying taxes so the takers can take advantage.
About those Pell Grants. Some really rich families let their children move away from home and be on their own to qualify for them. This is a common thing. I would estimate that 1/10 of people getting government hand outs really need them. And the cell phones?? Totally unnecessary. Our taxpayers are being taken for a ride by selfish people.
This country needs those Rust Belt jobs. Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it. The south lost the civil war because they had so few factories and could not get supplies. Our leaders and those on here who think we don't need the manufacturing jobs might want to think about that.
While I agree that veterans should be supported (better than they are, really... especially in regard to healthcare), a GI Bill is still TECHNICALLY a handout from the government.
I think you were raised proud and proud people often do not take aid unless they TRULY need it, which is why taking GI Bill money was okay, but you do not approve of people getting Pell Grants. I agree that some abuse the system, but really, once a kid is 18 and does not live at home, why SHOULD parents who should be taking care of other kids and saving for their own retirement be paying for kids to go to college? Once they are independent, they should pay their own way. If their incomes are low enough to qualify for grants, so be it.
Not everyone has parents who bought all that acreage and a father who left enough for their mom to get by for the rest of her life.
You are very fortunate, NCN.
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exactly- they don't want to make the effort to be retrained for a high skilled job...they want a job to provide a middle class living that isn't viable anymore...nobody is going to pay 70K a year to someone in the US when they can pay someone in Vietnam 5K to do the exact same thing. But rather than retrain or learn new skills to compete in the global economy they simply want to government to stop the world and risk every other facet of the US's well being to give them what they feel is their birthright....but that's not a handout right??
You just don't get it do you ? Tell the designer, engineer, machinist, electrician, plumber, welder , fabricator, millright, tool designer, tool engineer, mold or die tryout guy, mold or die maker, etc...they need to retrain for a high skilled job.
You do realize these and many more like it are all part of manufacturing right ? Those low skilled assembly line jobs you all seem to focus on are the smaller portion of it.
I do not live in a factory town, but my FIL worked in auto manufacturing for a long time. He doesn't think it's coming back, either.
And, he wasn't a lineman.
So, while that's anecdotal, I am married to a man who lived in the heart of the Rust Belt growing up.
I do have some perspective in that sense.
Good. And we all know it all can't be brought back, but stopping the hemorrhaging of the jobs we currently have here should be at the center of attention.
A wealthy country cannot be sustained on service jobs.
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