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Sadly i rarely post on this site anymore. Too much hatred and i got sick of being name called. I will give this thread a chance though. (I voted for trump)
The real reasons hillary lost (trump didnt win)
For me i was a never hillary and never bush guy so whoever was against those two was getting my vote. Thank god it wasnt those 2 as choices. Yes if it was jeb vs bernie this conservative would have voted Bernie. I believe this belief was HUGE amongst Trump voters.
Blow it all up! We wanted someone to blow up how things are done in DC. Trump is the man for that.
Finally people dont like it when it's assumed someone will win before the vote is in. They will stay home as a protest or vote against just in spite.
I agree, everyone is attacking and civil conversation has stopped. It is frustrating on both ends. I do think a shakeup needs to happen. I however cannot stand Trump. his actions so far has endangered America. I don't think he is the right person.
I knew election night early in Trump would win. Everyone thought I was being nuts.
Trump supporters feel attacked? So much irony in that statement.
While I agree with you, you also have to hear what they are saying. They feel attacked for the last eight years. I personally don't see it, but if here are random people feeling like this, you can't discount their perception.
He blatantly lies more then any other presidential candidate ever has.
He can not help himself. He has been lying all his life. He does it reflexively, without an examination of conscience nor any remorse.
He is not so much a deal maker as a poker player.
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Originally Posted by biggunsmallbrains
I get that many Trump voters are afraid. That's obvious.
The Republican Party has been fear-mongering for a long time, even as the nation has been getting safer and safer over the last couple of decades.
The important thing, to quote Ruidy Giuliani, is that "people feel less safe", and that is the sordid work of the Republican Party and it's surrogates like Fox fake News. So the people will vote their fears.
The problem here is twofold, #1 - illegal immigration has declined considerably over the past decade. The literal hordes walking across the desert is a thing of the past. And #2 - like it or not the American economy has a strong reliance on illegal immigrants. No American is going to do the jobs they do for $7.25 an hour.
Everyone - up to and including Jeb Bush - wants to protect our borders. What people do not want is mass Gestapo style roundups of anyone and everyone who looks Hispanic.
Trump supporters wonder why they are called racists, well here's why. Because you are if these are the arguments your using, your making it obvious that the only reason you are so up in arms about illegal immigration is solely because most illegals happen to be Hispanic.
#1- I do not believe this statement to be true.
#2- then employers need to pay more than $7.25 an hour. I refuse to support the enabling of illegal immigrants.
What did Jeb Bush do exactly that makes you say he wants to protect our borders? Marco Rubio was a proud member of the Gang of 8. Ted Cruz stood on the border with Glenn Beck and handed out Teddy Bears to those non-existent hordes walking across our border. John Kasich promised an amnesty within 100 days of his inaugaration.
There are other things I could mention for my voting for Trump. But I am curious .... do you think Hispanic illegals should get a pass because they are Hispanic? I don't.
#2- then employers need to pay more than $7.25 an hour.
Mr Trump at one time agreed with you. He has since walked that back after gaining the Republican nomination.
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Originally Posted by Minethatbird
I refuse to support the enabling of illegal immigrants.
I agree with you.
The thing is, elements of the business community have been providing the jobs. It has worked out for them, and they support the Republican party generally. It is very easy to abuse the undocumented, very often employers can ignore labor laws with them, laws which the Republican party has been trying to roll back since their inception.
Now the economy has expanded to include these people, and wrenching 11 million consumers out of the economy would be quite a shock. For example, it would affect the used car market, and the used home market to mention two areas. In general every dollar they make gets recycled quickly into the economy, it is part of the economic engine.
These people also generally pay taxes for which they never get get an opportunity to claim their refunds for overpayment.
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Originally Posted by Minethatbird
.... do you think Hispanic illegals should get a pass because they are Hispanic?
The issue would be the same if they were French or Germans or Russians.
#2- then employers need to pay more than $7.25 an hour. I refuse to support the enabling of illegal immigrants.
What did Jeb Bush do exactly that makes you say he wants to protect our borders? Marco Rubio was a proud member of the Gang of 8. Ted Cruz stood on the border with Glenn Beck and handed out Teddy Bears to those non-existent hordes walking across our border. John Kasich promised an amnesty within 100 days of his inaugaration.
There are other things I could mention for my voting for Trump. But I am curious .... do you think Hispanic illegals should get a pass because they are Hispanic? I don't.
Statement #1 is no less true because you don't believe it. Look up the statistics.
“Despite the claims of an ever-rising, out-of-control US undocumented population,” said Donald Kerwin, CMS’s Executive Director, “the number of undocumented has fallen each year since 2008. In addition, the number and percentage of foreign-born persons with legal status has increased. These trends should be applauded by partisans on all sides of the immigration debate.”
While I agree with #2, you can stop the employers from hiring illegal immigrants and make it more likely that they will have to pay more if you get them to all use e-verify. Many employers do use it. Fascinating that the states that complain most are the ones that refuse to pass legislation requiring this:
If people can't get work, then they will not immigrate. Note that in Houston, most of the lawn services and construction builders seem to employ many illegals. I guess our housing boom would go away if we could not get the cheaper workers.
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