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If it was a dozen armed, intoxicated black individuals roaring through town, swearing, threatening folks at the Walmart, busting up birthday parties...
Got to wonder if we would have had a 53 page thread on whether their sentence was the appropriate length or not.
Somewhat ironically, the claim of white nationalists, and black nationalists both, is that racist sentiments make it impossible to have justice.
Their "solution", is thus to separate the races, for the good of both.
To hear the la raza fans say it: only "certain Hispanics" count as Latinos, like as in those who look Indian or at least mixed race AND hate anglo culture. I'm guessing this "Jose" doesn't count.
Too; many people of Portuguese or Brazil family DON'T claim Hispanic. If their kind were counted; Giselle Bundchen WOULD be a Latina.
I pay no attention to "La Raza". Many people know that "Hispanic" is an ethnicity/culture.
Afro-Colombian and Afro-Venezuelan. If anyone saw their last names, one might think they were Dominicans. If they had Anglo last names, they would be thought of as just "Black". Yep, a name can do alot to change someone's perception. Here is the irony. My mother, for all intents and purposes, is considered Black. However, she is light-skinned. Puerto Ricans have walked up to her speaking Spanish. Yep, she can be mistaken for Hispanic. Myself being darker, taking after my father, never get mistaken for Hispanic. No one would think Edgar Renteria or Salvador Perez as Hispanic by simply looking at them.
Just by looking at him, one would assume he was Non-Hispanic White. Or David Gallagher, the blond guy who played Simon on 7th Heaven. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Gallagher. Irish last name and blond hair obscures that he has Cuban ancestry. By technicality he would be Hispanic.
They claim the party-goers were throwing objects at their vehicles.
Would it surprise you, if a group of probably a hundred black people, might have thrown something(including rocks) if they saw multiple pickup trucks with Confederate flags driving directly passed them?
I would be surprised if they didn't. I would also be surprised if they weren't both throwing insults at each other, and flipping each other off, among other things.
Look at it like this, when there is a "Confederate" or "Southern" heritage rally in a city, the police have to escort the people at the rally, for their own protection.
What do you think would happen to a bunch of White Nationalists, flying confederate or even Nazi flags, marching through Washington D.C., without a police escort? They would get jumped, and probably shot.
For that matter, think of the Westboro Baptist Church, how long do you think their protests outside a soldier's funeral would last without a police escort? The last time they came to my city(it was after the big Moore, Oklahoma tornado), they are lucky the bikers didn't stab them.
What I'm saying is, you are painting the scenario as if it was entirely one-sided. If you listen to the cell phone videos, you'll hear the black man say, "Ya'll was the one with the gun".
This is an admission that the affair wasn't one-sided. And while you claim that because they brought weapons, it is proof that they were looking to harm people.
On the contrary, they claim they brought the weapons to protect themselves. Because, as you know, in many areas of this country, it wouldn't have been safe for them to be flying the Confederate flag.
So, lets pretend that they hadn't had the gun, what do you think would have happened? Would you have been surprised if a large group of the party-goers, didn't rush over looking for a fight?
If the party-goers had jumped them, would you have felt any sympathy for them? If a bunch of skin-heads get jumped, does anyone ever feel sorry for them?
It reminds me of how these Antifa people have been running around assaulting people, and the police often do absolutely nothing.
I'm not saying these people were right in what they did. I think they went waaayy too far. But there is absolutely no proof that their original intention was to harm absolutely anyone. Nor did they even harm absolutely anyone in two full days of driving through two different counties.
Again, who claims the party-goers threw objects (thought it was rocks?) at the vehicles? Where's the source?
All I'm seeing in your post is a lot of rationalising for what they did, based on they must have expected trouble for causing trouble - the simple solution is not to cause trouble in the first place.
Someone saying "Y'all was the one with a gun" isn't an admission of anything, what makes you think that?
I wouldn't feel much sympathy (unless the party-goers out-weaponed them) if they had got jumped because they started it. You don't get to go causing trouble and then crying because trouble occurred. I would though support suitable punishments for all involved. I don't think this was a suitable punishment but not because of the circumstances but because I think the US goes over the board with all punishments.
They took weapons with them - that is proof that they at least considered that harm might occur. If they didn't intend to hurt anyone and didn't think they were causing harm, then they wouldn't have took weapons with them.
Again, who claims the party-goers threw objects (thought it was rocks?) at the vehicles? Where's the source?
I linked like five different articles which said it. Why do you keep asking?
This video and others like it were linked several times in this thread. Go to ~3 minutes. They said that someone at the party threw something at the trucks.
I don't have access to the police report, and what was linked by the prosecutor's office was not a police report, it was heavily biased, and it left out almost everything that happened.
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Someone saying "Y'all was the one with a gun" isn't an admission of anything, what makes you think that?
Why did he say it? You can tell from the video that he was responding to something said to the police by one of the guys in the truck. If I was to guess, the guy in the truck basically said that the people at the party started it, and the guy responded "Ya'll was the one with the gun".
He didn't deny that they started it, or that they played a role in it. But merely that, the people in the truck were "more wrong" since they pulled a gun and threatened people.
And that should explain why the police didn't make any arrests at the scene. If they had just randomly wandered up to a party, unprovoked, waving a gun, and threatening to kill kids. They would have gotten arrested on the spot.
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I wouldn't feel much sympathy (unless the party-goers out-weaponed them) if they had got jumped because they started it.
You're assuming they started it. They claim the other people started it.
I think the problem is, in your mind, they are starting it, merely by driving around with Confederate flags in their truck, knowing full-well that it is going to make people angry. In your mind, they should EXPECT to be assaulted, just like someone flying a Nazi flag should expect to be assaulted. Or the Westboro Baptist Church should expect to be assaulted.
But what you're really saying is, they shouldn't be flying the Confederate flag.
Watch this video, tell me who started it. And, listen to the words at the beginning. What did they say?
Do you think, then, that maybe they shouldn't be driving around yelling and screaming in public words that they KNOW will incite violence?
Those people disgust me.
This is actually a very complex question. On the face of it, I believe in free-speech. But on the other hand, I hate people being disrespectful.
I would never have done what these people did, but I know some people who might. But I don't think they are bad people either.
Let me start out by saying, I am not an internationalist. I think the nations of the world exist for a reason. Insofar as the people of this world, do not share the same values, and that they should be kept separate "for the good of all".
The idea that you can throw millions or billions of diverse people together into a single country without issue, seems to be naive and stupid.
Imagine for a moment that you were to try to throw the entire world into a single country right now, what would happen? Would we live together in peace?
I think America is a fake country. And I think most Americans more-or-less hate each other. They tolerate each other because they have no choice. And they largely remain silent, because they aren't allowed to say how they really feel, because it would threaten their livelihoods, or even their lives.
So then the internet was created. Where people finally had a forum where they were allowed to speak anonymously. And what do you find? A lot of angry people. Division and hatred. Reality, not political-correctness.
Can you imagine what people would say if they were free at all times to say whatever they wanted about anyone, anywhere?
A country could not be maintained with that kind of "freedom".
If it was a dozen armed, intoxicated black individuals roaring through town, swearing, threatening folks at the Walmart, busting up birthday parties...
Got to wonder if we would have had a 53 page thread on whether their sentence was the appropriate length or not.
Georgia law enforcement would have responded, they'd be dead and the people wailing about Southern Pride would call it suicide by cop and high-five about it.
If it was a dozen armed, intoxicated black individuals roaring through town, swearing, threatening folks at the Walmart, busting up birthday parties...
Got to wonder if we would have had a 53 page thread on whether their sentence was the appropriate length or not.
That kind of scenario involving gangs of blacks is commonplace. But I've never heard of anyone being sentenced to a long prison term merely for behaving in threatening manner. So I guess we'll just have to wonder.
He's white. The picture of him makes that obvious.
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That kind of scenario involving gangs of blacks is commonplace. But I've never heard of anyone being sentenced to a long prison term merely for behaving in threatening manner. So I guess we'll just have to wonder.
Commonplace? When did a gang of blacks do this to a white family at a children's function?
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