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Old 05-27-2017, 05:59 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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This is a really neat story that you have fabricated in your mind. You have clearly put forth a great effort in the creation of this fictional work.
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Old 05-27-2017, 06:02 PM
 
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OP. You're not helping. Quite the opposite.

Trump is guilty of obstruction of justice, we can go from there. But treason? LOL. No.

We MIGHT nab Kushner on espionage, but thats doubtful, What should we focus on? He lied on his security forms, a felony punishable by 5 years. Go with that.

MIGHT more info show up? Sure. But lets look at what we know, and facts.
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Old 05-27-2017, 06:34 PM
 
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People need to "pay attention" for themselves... but whether they try and deny, deflect and avert to something else, the Trump Admin dominoes will fall !!!

No one cares if Right Wingers like it or not.... America can't subject itself to this madness for much longer.

Republicans continue to prove their idiocy, and we saw that madness just last week when they voted for the belligerence in Montana.

Every day, something proves again and again the facts that America Goes Downhill every time there is Republicans in office.
One thing we do know... is: Republicans never let facts get in the way of their Selective Amnesia and Confabulations.
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Old 05-27-2017, 07:19 PM
 
Location: CO/UT/AZ/NM Catch me if you can!
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I will say that all this does have the scent of treason about it. Treason inspired by unbridled greed for wealth and power. The Trump crime family is worse than the mafia ever was. So much nepotism - putting family and personal friends in high office and no one calling them out on all this. The right is thrilled to be in power and Country be damned.
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Old 05-27-2017, 07:56 PM
 
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Chance & Change:

"The Office of President should go to Former Vice President Joe Biden, and an Election scheduled for 2018 to Elect a New President to be inaugurated in Jan. 2019."

Thank You. I couldn't agree more!
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Old 05-27-2017, 07:57 PM
 
Location: north central Ohio
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I will say that all this does have the scent of treason about it. Treason inspired by unbridled greed for wealth and power. The Trump crime family is worse than the mafia ever was. So much nepotism - putting family and personal friends in high office and no one calling them out on all this. The right is thrilled to be in power and Country be damned.

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Old 05-27-2017, 08:24 PM
 
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I don't think Trump is that complicated a guy. I can see him not being part of some big espionage scheme because is that really the kind of thing Trump would have the patience for?

He's used to ignoring protocol and doing what he wants. He comes from a privately held business empire. He's always treated established laws as something to work around, and he's never observed the traditions of the world he was raised in.

I think he got into office, got annoyed by Russia probes, and tried to get his new "employees" to do his bidding and get rid of what he saw as an annoying waste of time spearheaded by his enemies. To the degree he was even aware of tradition he'd likely ignore it.

Still technically obstruction though.
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Old 05-27-2017, 10:24 PM
 
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I don't think Trump is that complicated a guy. I can see him not being part of some big espionage scheme because is that really the kind of thing Trump would have the patience for?

He's used to ignoring protocol and doing what he wants. He comes from a privately held business empire. He's always treated established laws as something to work around, and he's never observed the traditions of the world he was raised in.

I think he got into office, got annoyed by Russia probes, and tried to get his new "employees" to do his bidding and get rid of what he saw as an annoying waste of time spearheaded by his enemies. To the degree he was even aware of tradition he'd likely ignore it.

Still technically obstruction though.
I think Trump should look at the 1980's and the acts that led up to the climate of hostile take overs, merges and acquisition, de-regulation and the mentality that swept through Wall Street, Banking and Industry, and he will find, not only did Outsourcing become a devastation factor, but the "Robber Barron" mentality in finance, business and such things, devastated America, then when it weakened industry it then devastated unions and workers rights and wage has gone into a decline that further devastated American.

Trump does not get it, "De-Regulation is a Devastator". Capitalism only works for all society, when a system is governed and regulated.

A system Void of Regulation is doomed; Greed sets in, hoarding takes over, and money does not circulate, value is eroded, inflation sets in and the buying power of money declines, while everything else erodes... We see the results all Across America.

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Old 05-27-2017, 10:43 PM
 
Location: Gone
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This is a really neat story that you have fabricated in your mind. You have clearly put forth a great effort in the creation of this fictional work.
Will you believe it when the Repubs put a rope around his neck?
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Old 05-27-2017, 10:45 PM
 
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Its likely the money washing game that has been a part of Trump life for many decades; He's not just linked to American Mobsters, Trump is tied into Russian Money and its mobster network of oligarchs, all the way up to Putin. He got more embedded when Russia's Ruble sank and the oligarchs moved their money around the globe trying to gain profit vs seeing their currency value erode their wealth marks. They made that money available to people like Trump by many covert means and a web of as system, and Trump was wide open to take the money.. He knew the consequences, but he took it anyway!!!!
Now, he is beholding to Russia and likely Russia is not the only entity that he is entangled with. He knows when the truth comes out, the Charges will Multiply Against Him, and His history will be exposed. All his licensing agreement can "fold up" like a dried apple peel in the desert sun. The "Trump" Logo will fall off buildings like leaves in the fall, tumbling to the ground. Trump knows the Russian's will take him and/or his whole family down!!! if he does not deliver... He is up against the wall with no where to hide.
The second part become the subversive acts involving our elections and the governance of this nation, that can surmount to become Treasonous against act against the nation, its lands and its people. He will not come out of this intact.

His Arrogance has caught up with him and will consume him, he never should have entered the arena of politics and certainly not at a level of the Presidency. He let his race bias and bigotry against Obama blind him to make him think he could be what he is not capable of being. Such racist mentality and bigotry made him think, "well if a Black man can do it, then I can do it.... and he sorely underestimated the black man, and he over estimated his capabilities.

Trump failed to grasp the fact, that Obama was no shyster, nor was he a swindler, and he was not money obsessed. He was and is a Constitutionally literate man, and knows Constitutional Law, as well as what is the reality within the Civil and Social society of America and how economics impact the lives of people.

Trump thinks the wealthy can dictate and control the masses and thinks that the people are ignorant and easy to swindle. He denigrated "everything about America", including its systems, organizations and its structure of governance. He over estimated himself and let his arrogance bring out the ignorance of what he does not understand, which resulted to make him become the buffoon of the Century. He is simply a "Criminal with the mentality of a Mobster".
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