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Old 03-13-2017, 07:34 PM
 
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Oh, please. The facts are out there and have been spelled out by more than a few people, some of whom are lawyers and some of whom are investigative reporters. It is a fact that Trumps servers were "hacked into" (do you like that term better than "wire tap?") and the conversations between members of the Trump team were being listened to.

Just because you choose not to believe it doesn't change it one iota. You can listen to your MSNBC or CNN (or whoever else you want to) who have lied to you continually, and they are never going to acknowledge what most of us know, because they belong to the Opposition Party who is involved in an attempt to take down Trump and subvert our government and his administration. It's just that simple.

All those networks are the same ones that told you Hillary was winning and was going to win in a landslide. So, why should you believe them?

I'm sure you don't listen to Mark Levin, a Constitutional lawyer (and a damn good one) who made the case against the Obama administration who engineered this. And Obama also made an eleventh our rule change that permits the sharing of classified information among people who never before had access to it. Now why do you think he did this just days before leaving office? That's what I and many others want to know.

We need an Congressional investigation into this, because this is a matter of national security, to say nothing of the ethics involved regarding the tapping into the phones and computers of the opposing Party.
Head should roll, and especially Obama's, if it can be shown that he had some direct involvement in this, or knew about it and did nothing. He ought to be jailed.
By all means, being on the investigation. Make Mark Levin the special prosecutor. Get the evidence of this wiretapping out on the table. Indict Obama if there's probable cause to show he violated the law.

What is Trump waiting for?

 
Old 03-13-2017, 07:36 PM
 
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Full power to forward deflector shields!
Hahahahahahahaha

Good one.
 
Old 03-13-2017, 07:40 PM
 
Location: City Data Land
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Originally Posted by beb0p View Post
With the Trump Administration, the Onion pieces often sound more plausible.
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Poor widdle Spicer. If that guy had an ounce of integrity, he would resign as Trump's mouthpiece. How much does Trump pay him to call these press conferences in a feeble attempt to make Trump's lies sound less like deceptions? All they really accomplish is make Spicer appear weak, amoral, and gullible and underscore how dishonest Trump is. And how can Spicer spin the Tweet as something other than what it is: a direct accusation that Obama wiretapped Trump tower? But he tries anyway, in true Kellyanne "alternative fact" form
 
Old 03-13-2017, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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If President Bonkers' tweets were lies, does he just get away with it?
If there is the slightest modicum of truth to one of Trump's tweets then using the same standards we've always used to judge politicians by, he gets a pass. If he's completely wrong, I'm not sure what crime you'd be charging him with? Slander? Do we even enforce slander laws? (Looking at you Michael Moore.)

That is not to say that Trump issuing a bold-faced lie would have no consequences. If there is absolutely no truth to one of his claims, then like the boy who cried wolf, the American people will be vastly less likely to take him seriously next time.
 
Old 03-13-2017, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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Originally Posted by nononsenseguy View Post

We need an Congressional investigation into this, because this is a matter of national security, to say nothing of the ethics involved regarding the tapping into the phones and computers of the opposing Party.
Head should roll, and especially Obama's, if it can be shown that he had some direct involvement in this, or knew about it and did nothing. He ought to be jailed.
I'd like you to consider the fact that the law as it is might have enabled the Obama administration to do what you think they did perfectly legally.

I don't know whether they did it or not (frankly, I doubt it), but I do know that existing law allows for a lot more surveillance than I am comfortable with.
 
Old 03-13-2017, 07:45 PM
 
Location: In The Thin Air
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Poor widdle Spicer. If that guy had an ounce of integrity, he would resign as Trump's mouthpiece. How much does Trump pay him to call these press conferences in a feeble attempt to make Trump's lies sound less like deceptions? All they really accomplish is make Spicer appear weak, amoral, and gullible and underscore how dishonest Trump is. And how can Spicer spin the Tweet as something other than what it is: a direct accusation that Obama wiretapped Trump tower? But he tries anyway, in true Kellyanne "alternative fact" form
When I think of Spicer this is what I see.
 
Old 03-13-2017, 07:47 PM
 
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Poor widdle Spicer. If that guy had an ounce of integrity, he would resign as Trump's mouthpiece. How much does Trump pay him to call these press conferences in a feeble attempt to make Trump's lies sound less like deceptions? All they really accomplish is make Spicer appear weak, amoral, and gullible and underscore how dishonest Trump is. And how can Spicer spin the Tweet as something other than what it is: a direct accusation that Obama wiretapped Trump tower? But he tries anyway, in true Kellyanne "alternative fact" form
You will not be so smug when the Obama and the Clintons are connect, which they are. Its one thing to link Trump tot he Russians. However to Liberals, Linking HRC, The DNC and Obama to the New Water ate is unthinkable!
 
Old 03-13-2017, 07:48 PM
 
Location: In The Thin Air
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You will not be so smug when the Obama and the Clintons are connect, which they are. Its one thing to link Trump tot he Russians. However to Liberals, Linking HRC, The DNC and Obama to the New Water ate is unthinkable!
What are you talking about?
 
Old 03-13-2017, 07:55 PM
 
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These Trump supporters are funny. The actions of Spicer and Conway should tell you all you need to know about these accusations. Trump sends them out to defend his tweets and they squirm like a worm on the hook. Even folks like Ryan try to laugh off his actions. Trump supporters just keep the fate.
 
Old 03-13-2017, 08:01 PM
 
Location: NYC
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I don't understand how anyone is still defending him.

At the very least supporters could acknowledge what happened. Trump falsely claimed Obama wiretapped his phones. There is no way of spinning it. If he meant something else, he would have said something else. He lies constantly.

*Crowd size
*The birther lie
*Winning by the most electoral college in decades
*Millions of illegals voting

When will it be enough that you acknowledge it?
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