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Weird stuff going on. An ex CIA agent working for Tesla was killed in a driverless car accident last fall from what I've read. Then last week there was a big internet glitch caused by Amazon and Cloud, which coincidentally has a big contract with the CIA. Lots of ISP and servers were affected on the east coast.
Then the CIA started playing cutesy with Trump and then they get the rug pulled out from under THEM and look even worse and their claims about the Russians hacking the election get thrown out the window. All the while more and more evidence is being dug up against government insiders over Pizzagate, and the CIA is right in the middle of it. Either involved ( most likely) or looking the other way for their own ends.
Now all this info about the CIA hacking and spying. I think Mr. Trump needs to put on a pair of golf cleats and needs to get to kicking many kiesters out of there.
think some may be missing the part where it says that the CIA lost control of these spying capabilities and they might be used by hackers/nefarious types to target consumer, industrial, military and commercial systems. that should give pause to anyone.
the heck with dishwashers - how about nuclear facilities, power grids, waste treatment plants, water production, traffic & shipping systems, food production, etc.
Now if they had only done what they were supposed to do which was let the software/hardware companies know about the glitches/openings in their products that were found they could've been fixed so hackers couldn't use them.
Instead the NSA/CIA etc decided to hoard the information so THEY could exploit it and it's now biting US in the butt...
Any evidence of hacking that the CIA produces can be assumed to be fake and created by the CIA, since they routinely attach "fingerprints" of other countries to their creations.
We can now go back to the obvious truth of the Podesta email "hacking." He got phished, had a "Simple Simon" password that he gave away, and Julian Assange got the results and leaked them.
Who did Podesta get hacked by?
A young, low-level DNC staffer, who mysteriously ended up getting shot and killed on the street in Washington D.C. courtesy of we all know who.
The "Russian connection" has always been obvious hogwash.
1.) The NSA is tasked to do this - not the CIA - of which certain groups have gone rouge.
2.) The CIA has lost control of their hacking tools (and anonymity) -- leaving the world open to cyber attacks/dangers.
3.) This goes far beyond personal iphones, etc. - #2 increases potential threats to critical infrastructure on a massive scale (Stuxnet).
Imagining the havoc that can be caused throughout a digitized economy is nothing to cast idly aside - since there are many people around the world that would like to see us go down. Personal privacy should be of great concern to everyone since it is not a stretch to say that cyber monitoring can easily morph into cyber control. And it's not a secret that to get around "the law" - govts. partner with other govts. to do their dirty work - so there is little comfort in advertised protections.
1. The NSA and the CIA have the exact same missions - to collect intelligence. The only difference is that NSA collects information in motion (i.e., communications) while the CIA collects information that is static (not moving). The phone companies' billing records are tied to information that moved. Hence, the NSA.
Groups of white collar professionals don't go rouge (I think you meant rogue). Individuals do. Simpson and Paternoster, two well known and well respected criminologists, showed in several studies that only one in one hundred white collar professionals will offend irrespective of risk and reward; 16% of white collar professionals might offend depending upon the risk/reward ratio; and 83% of white collar professionals absolutely refuse to break the law even when the chance of reward is 100% and the chance of detection is 0%. (Sally Simpson calls it the 'ethics gene.' She cannot otherwise explain it, because no other studied group has such a robust cohort of those who will not offend.) These findings are well documented in the literature.
2. So far the CIA has lost not much - the ability to turn a phone's microphone on isn't exactly a secret - we've been doing that for decades. Samsung (and Sony) actually have warnings in their owners manuals that their smart TV's microphone can and will pick up conversations and report them over the internet. (I'll pause to let everyone who has a Google Assistant or Amazon Echo device in their homes to consider that little bit of information...)
NSA lost 1.3 million docs to Snowden, only 58,000 of which he gave to the media. Informed opinion is that the Russians have the rest of them, because they've been slowly showing up around the world--and only when it benefitted the Russians. The NSA suffered operational losses that will take a generation (30 years) to replace.
3. The critical infrastructure is at far greater risk than you can imagine. Ever since Stuxnet, the Iranians have been practicing taking down our financial systems; everyone on the planet has been practicing taking down our power grids, and DDoS attacks have both increased exponentially and switched to nodes instead of end targets. (Think taking out an entire post office instead of a particular PO Box holder.) The latest in hacking is recruiting the IOT to turn bot against human systems. The day you learn how bad it is will be the day you try to use a debit, credit, or ATM card and absolutely nothing works - for days or weeks.
Commentary: Please don't confuse personal liberty and personal privacy. Personal liberty means the US intelligence community will not spy on USPers. Personal privacy means no one else will, either. No one with a social media presence (or a high level security clearance) has any personal privacy left. At all. The rest of you only have a modicum of privacy left. The most targeted sites today are social media, because that's where everybody is at. (The Chinese FIS agents are still reading all of our security clearance docs and digitizing our fingerprints.)
We play the same game the bad guys play, only we play it strictly against them. And we don't use foreign partners to play the game against USPers - that isn't legal, either. Truth is, we simply don't care what Americans are doing - that's not our job.
So again, if you want to run up your blood pressure, worry about what the Chinese, Russians, or cybercriminals know about you, not what the US intelligence community could know about you if it wanted to.
If you are that paranoid of your own government, start with the IRS.
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Of course, something like Breitbart is nothing more than opinion masquerading as news so no sane person takes it seriously.
Sadly, it's looking like Wikileaks is agenda driven as well and may even be an arm of the Russian Federation as former NSA/CIA Director General Michael Hayden openly hypothesized yesterday. Watch the beginning of this video to see for yourself.
This NYTimes story reported about half the facts. What it didn't say is that a hot call from a seed number could be tapped and stay active until the appropriate warrants could be obtained. My recollection is that there was something like a 72-hour window for that to happen. The legal thinking was that it was equivalent to 'hot pursuit,' during which police departments can exceed their jurisdictions if they are actively chasing a suspected felon. If you have an AQ bomb maker on the phone with some junior terrorist wannabe in Ditchweed, Indiana on a Friday night at 2:00 AM, it did not make sense to stop collection until Monday morning at 8:00 to get a FISA warrant or a USDC order. I don't know if the NYTimes had all the facts and chose not to report them, or didn't know the whole story.
I've never even been to Breitbart news. That, like MSNBC, is agenda media - and I don't have time for it.
It has long been believed within the IC that WikiLeaks is a proxy for Rusian intelligence - either witting or unwitting. My personal opinion (which, accompanied by $2.50, will get you a small cup of coffee) is that they are witting accomplices of Russian intelligence.
It takes a great deal of paranoia (or arrogance) to believe the intel community's most sensitive collection techniques revolve around you. If you are a US citizen, resident alien or even physically present in the US, it isn't about you. It's about all the people who aren't in the US.
The elected representatives to which you refer are the most clueless group I've ever met. The sum and substance of their involvement is to vote to appropriate more than $50 billion each year to the IC.
The 'sophisticated computer programs' you're talking about were my (or some analyst's) eyeballs and brains. That's all the magic that's involved. And we frankly don't care how often Americans call out for pizza. We are interested in how many times a foreign intelligence service's operatives call out for pizza.
The reason the government stored some parts of the phone companies' billing records (what has been dubbed 'metadata') is because the phone companies didn't want to store them. The reason the phone companies didn't want to store them is because every phone company in the country gets inundated with subpoenas every single day for phone records from every slip and fall attorney, divorce attorney, drug detective and a whole host of others who have the authority to write or obtain subpoenas. It costs the phone company a lot of money to comply with all of those subpoeas. They would rather say 'We don't have anything beyond [X number] of months,' but they can't if they are storing it to comply with federal law. So the government agreed to store it for them and, as required by law, destroys the data after five years.
To access that database, you need to be (a) a federal agent conducting a counterintelligence or counter terrorism activity, and (b) a court order. And then all you get is a bunch of digits (numbers - like 1-10). You don't get any letters (a,b,c,d... etc). To tie those numbers to an individual, you need second court order.
So take a deep breath - your liberties are both well protected and not the target of our IC. You wouldn't know that from reading today's media, but then they haven't gotten much right for the last ten years or so.
Then why is the CIA attempting to overthrow the President of the United States? You know, like it tries to rile up populations overseas to overthrow their leaders.
And the US media has been consistently on the side of the CIA and against President Trump. Contrary to your last paragraph.
The CIA cares what some Americans say, think, and do because the CIA is entangled with and serves the globalists. And those globalists in both the USA and Europe will engineer elections or coups inside the United States. So, basically, the American intelligence community wants to get sexual information on some Americans to use as blackmail or intimidation as a form of threat to publicly release the info. I know, they tried it with me. But they know I am belligerent and less prone to that kind of intimidation.
1. The NSA and the CIA have the exact same missions - to collect intelligence. The only difference is that NSA collects information in motion (i.e., communications) while the CIA collects information that is static (not moving). The phone companies' billing records are tied to information that moved. Hence, the NSA.
Groups of white collar professionals don't go rouge (I think you meant rogue). Individuals do. Simpson and Paternoster, two well known and well respected criminologists, showed in several studies that only one in one hundred white collar professionals will offend irrespective of risk and reward; 16% of white collar professionals might offend depending upon the risk/reward ratio; and 83% of white collar professionals absolutely refuse to break the law even when the chance of reward is 100% and the chance of detection is 0%. (Sally Simpson calls it the 'ethics gene.' She cannot otherwise explain it, because no other studied group has such a robust cohort of those who will not offend.) These findings are well documented in the literature.
2. So far the CIA has lost not much - the ability to turn a phone's microphone on isn't exactly a secret - we've been doing that for decades. Samsung (and Sony) actually have warnings in their owners manuals that their smart TV's microphone can and will pick up conversations and report them over the internet. (I'll pause to let everyone who has a Google Assistant or Amazon Echo device in their homes to consider that little bit of information...)
NSA lost 1.3 million docs to Snowden, only 58,000 of which he gave to the media. Informed opinion is that the Russians have the rest of them, because they've been slowly showing up around the world--and only when it benefitted the Russians. The NSA suffered operational losses that will take a generation (30 years) to replace.
3. The critical infrastructure is at far greater risk than you can imagine. Ever since Stuxnet, the Iranians have been practicing taking down our financial systems; everyone on the planet has been practicing taking down our power grids, and DDoS attacks have both increased exponentially and switched to nodes instead of end targets. (Think taking out an entire post office instead of a particular PO Box holder.) The latest in hacking is recruiting the IOT to turn bot against human systems. The day you learn how bad it is will be the day you try to use a debit, credit, or ATM card and absolutely nothing works - for days or weeks.
Commentary: Please don't confuse personal liberty and personal privacy. Personal liberty means the US intelligence community will not spy on USPers. Personal privacy means no one else will, either. No one with a social media presence (or a high level security clearance) has any personal privacy left. At all. The rest of you only have a modicum of privacy left. The most targeted sites today are social media, because that's where everybody is at. (The Chinese FIS agents are still reading all of our security clearance docs and digitizing our fingerprints.)
We play the same game the bad guys play, only we play it strictly against them. And we don't use foreign partners to play the game against USPers - that isn't legal, either. Truth is, we simply don't care what Americans are doing - that's not our job.
So again, if you want to run up your blood pressure, worry about what the Chinese, Russians, or cybercriminals know about you, not what the US intelligence community could know about you if it wanted to.
If you are that paranoid of your own government, start with the IRS.
While I wholly agree with your statement there is one tiny thing I'd like to add and that has to do with politics. While I agree as a general statement that the government doesn't "look inwards" with their electronic spying there are cases where they seemingly have and might, especially when it comes to politics. Just too juicy of a proposition to walk away from for those that crave power. Having all that power at your fingertips, able to make kings and take down the rich and powerful can/may/might just be too hard a drug to pass up.
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