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War with a crazy man would be a bad idea. I do believe this is something can be done between US & China though: China may request US-SK to tuned down war gesture in some way, and China would then work with NK to achieve certain objectives. Details would be unknowable.
Rumor has it Donny likes Kim-chee on his Big Macs.
Let's see.
Well, we trade with Vietnam now, something we of course could have done without ever starting that long, inane, asinine, bloody, wasteful war of choice.
What I have yet to hear a good explanation of is given the combined land mass and populations of China and the USSR at the time, what Joe's disciples viewed as the scourge of the earth , is WHY we were supposed to believe that adding the land mass/population of South Vietnam or all of SE Asia for that matter to that scourge would represent any kind of significantly increased threat to the US?
My point is that Vietnam eventually played out and now we are trading partners and see tourism going both ways while our Korea stalemate is a disaster.
I think had we "lost" the Korean War, we'd more than likely be in a much better place than we are now.
We should have never gotten involved in Vietnam or Korea, and we still can't seem to learn any lessons.
My point is that Vietnam eventually played out and now we are trading partners and see tourism going both ways while our Korea stalemate is a disaster.
I think had we "lost" the Korean War, we'd more than likely be in a much better place than we are now.
We should have never gotten involved in Vietnam or Korea, and we still can't seem to learn any lessons.
Well; in that regard, the U.S. is already just a hair's breadth away from an actual demonstrated policy of going to war with the intention of losing, so you might get your wish.
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My point is that Vietnam eventually played out and now we are trading partners and see tourism going both ways while our Korea stalemate is a disaster.
I think had we "lost" the Korean War, we'd more than likely be in a much better place than we are now.
We should have never gotten involved in Vietnam or Korea, and we still can't seem to learn any lessons.
I can't claim to know all the ins and outs of what agreements were in place RE:Korea and just what our responsibilities actually were but I'd guess we still could have lived up to our responsibilities and gotten considerably less involved and I couldn't agree more about Vietnam. I've been looking for some reason Vietnam made sense for 35+ years now and have yet to find any. Now waiting for my turn to borrow H R McMaster's Dereliction of Duty from my local library to see his perspective on that horrid war.
It's actions like Korea and Vietnam that make me believe we need a Constitutional Amendment limiting the length of time a POTUS can deploy combat troops anywhere without a formal declaration of war being issued by Congress. I think we go off to war far too easily and the procedure needs to be changed.
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Well; in that regard, the U.S. is already just a hair's breadth away from an actual demonstrated policy of going to war with the intention of losing, so you might get your wish.
"intention of losing"? Or going off to wars having no potential for winning anything?
No, from what I've read, his "soldiers" are so underfed they are small. It is a mess of a country and they are probably pretty miserable.
Yes, the N. Koreans are a few inches than their S. Korean counterparts due to lack of food.
The only reason why I would condone war is if NK did something so unthinkable to our allies that we need to uphold our promise of stepping in. There are enough reasons for us to go in given the level of crimes against humanity that the N. Koreans are subjected to in concentration camps there, but that's beside the point.
Sadly with the way Little Kim is flexing his tiny muscles we may see that sooner than we like. The guy is a looney and makes Trump look like a saint in comparison.
We know China is not going to do anything either and are just enabling Little Kim. Meanwhile, they themselves are getting territorial and building up their army in that region. It's just a matter of time before things blow... all it takes is one wrong move or one wrong tweet.
Why we are so entrenched in Korea is a mystery to me.
We are obligated to South Vietnam by the SEATO treaties dating back to 1954. And The United Nations Security Council responded to the attack by North Korea by adopting (by a 9-0 vote) a resolution that condemned the invasion as a "breach of the peace."
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IMHO, having that huge military presence on the border only helps support the North's leadership.
Having a military present on the border is a deterrent against a very unstable north run by an even more unstable leader.
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Let's see here, Vietnam fell and South Korea didn't. How did that work out in the long run?
The reason Vietnam was a failure is because the military actions were controlled by the politicians who bowed down to the protester pressure leave the military handcuffed fighting a war they could not win.
The so-called Police Action in Korea was never declared a war and it never officially ended, only a cease fire exist today.
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, is WHY we were supposed to believe that adding the land mass/population of South Vietnam or all of SE Asia for that matter to that scourge 
