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Old 03-31-2017, 04:35 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Single-payer health care system in California proposed | The Sacramento Bee

The state would request waivers for all programs from the federal government

The state would magically negotiate prices for medications and services and all would be well supposedly.

Ricardo Lara who is proposing this is from Bell Gardens which has a huge percentage of the population as undocumented immigrants and the California Nurses Association which is the nursing union is authoring the legislation.

Earlier cost estimates put the cost at $252 billion which would require a 8 percent wage tax on employers and 4 percent tax on employees.
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Old 03-31-2017, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Twin Falls Idaho
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Single-payer health care system in California proposed | The Sacramento Bee

The state would request waivers for all programs from the federal government

The state would magically negotiate prices for medications and services and all would be well supposedly.

Ricardo Lara who is proposing this is from Bell Gardens which has a huge percentage of the population as undocumented immigrants and the California Nurses Association which is the nursing union is authoring the legislation.

Sounds like win/win...the Fed saves a ton of money..and California gets control of their Health care. Of course, California would not be required to contribute to any Health Programs that the other 49 States buy into..and vice-versa.

Will it work..I dunno...but that is what many have said..let the States decide..so let California decide what they want.
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Old 03-31-2017, 04:48 PM
 
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why not just require Kaiser to be the sole insurer
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Old 03-31-2017, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Fredericktown,Ohio
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Sounds like win/win...the Fed saves a ton of money..and California gets control of their Health care. Of course, California would not be required to contribute to any Health Programs that the other 49 States buy into..and vice-versa.

Will it work..I dunno...but that is what many have said..let the States decide..so let California decide what they want.
Myself and maybe others think of the states as a experimental lab for democracy. A state using the democratic process implements policy and the rest of the country can watch the results. It sure beats the one size fits all tyranny of the federal gvt when they implement bad policy the whole country feels the pain.

With that said I am all for California attempting to implement single payer on their own and I have no concern what so ever that the {D} party will be leading the charge. At least the {D} leaders of the state have a means to pay for it unlike the federal gvt{ see 20 trillion$ debt} by offering up taxes on employees and employers. Will that bring big time damage to their economy? IMO, there Californians they are use to high taxes and fees.

Like you I do not know if it will work but I know I want to see it.
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Old 03-31-2017, 05:23 PM
 
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Better yet why not secede. One reason why healthcare is so bad is geography. The country is simply too big to manage very effectively, so break it up into smaller pieces. The liberals and conservatives can each have their own respective sovereign areas to rule and wouldn't be at each others throats all the time like Sunnis and Shiites. Win/win.
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Old 03-31-2017, 05:25 PM
 
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Any State that adopts a plan such as this will be a magnet attracting the seriously ill from the other 49 States. The part about covering nursing home care will do the same for the aged in need of nursing care. Another good part for the rest of us will be that California will be the destiny of choice for illegals, even moreso than now. The whole thing will collapse in the 1st year.
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Old 03-31-2017, 05:31 PM
 
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Any State that adopts a plan such as this will be a magnet attracting the seriously ill from the other 49 States. The part about covering nursing home care will do the same for the aged in need of nursing care. Another good part for the rest of us will be that California will be the destiny of choice for illegals, even moreso than now. The whole thing will collapse in the 1st year.
It would work if California seceded and gets annexed by Canada.
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Old 03-31-2017, 05:35 PM
 
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It would work if California seceded and gets annexed by Canada.
CA only single payer has a higher chance of that happening than California seceding and being annexed by Canada
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Old 03-31-2017, 06:03 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Healthy California Act Senate Bill 562

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...201720180SB562

It's modeled after H.B 676.

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why not just require Kaiser to be the sole insurer
That would be Kaiser's dream.

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Any State that adopts a plan such as this will be a magnet attracting the seriously ill from the other 49 States.
Like Massachusetts?
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Old 03-31-2017, 06:11 PM
 
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Healthy California Act Senate Bill 562

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...201720180SB562

Like Massachusetts?
Massachusetts doesn't have a single payer plan, but yes it would apply to them if it did. Like I said, it would apply to any State that does it. Vermont voted to do a single payer plan but they could never figure out a way to pay for it, and so the whole thing collapsed before it started.
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