Why do Cons love to repeat the "most counties in the US voted GOP" meme? It means nothing (elect, world)

[DoomDan515]

Originally Posted by skepticratic

Because that information does tell you something about Trump's actual popularity. Surely if you can write, you can understand why people would bring that up. It's not a terribly complicated point.

But who's in the White House?

[Vector1]

Originally Posted by theunbrainwashed

If you have a village of 10 people, and they're voting for a mayor, 8 live in town, and 2 live out on the outskirts of town on farms. You really think those 2 outskirt residents have the voting power of 5 townspeople? That's what it comes down to, literally. Sorry, but the lesson here is, people vote, not grass or dirt

I get your point, but it also undermines those who want to claim Hillary should have won because she got more votes.
Aside from that not being our system, if people who live in urban environments (which does not make up the majority of this country) have different needs/philosophy, they should not dictate to the rest of the country who does not live like they do.
So yes, the argument of greater land mass does not hold water, but neither does saying a few urban hellholes around the country should either.

Frankly, win or lose, everyone should thank the wisdom of the Founding Fathers for giving us this great form of government, which includes the electoral college. It was needed to form our union, and still sustains us to this very day. States rights are probably the only thing still holding us together at this point, and will continue to help us during the times we are so polarized against each other.

[djmilf]

Originally Posted by prospectheightsresident

Why can't leftists accept the truth on this matter? Firstly, Obama was on the Michigan ballot before HE decided to take himself off the ballot. Second, while the DNC did disqualified the Michigan (and I think Florida) votes initially, they ultimately ended up counting them as a show of unity, which means that Hillary beat Obama in the popular vote.

Ready for reality? Because here it comes.

I know that in this context you use the word 'leftist' as a pejorative term, but the reality is that I voted for John McCain in the 2008 Michigan primary. But it was still an ad-hominen attack on your part - not a good start at a rebuttal, but when the facts are against you...

Obama wasn't "on the ballot". He withdrew his name before the ballots were printed. That means that no one in Michigan had the chance to vote for him in the 2008 Democratic presidential primary.

The DNC didn't ultimately end up counting the popular vote "as a show of unity". The count that mattered was the delegate count from Michigan. The final result was that a compromise was reached where 69 pledged Clinton delegates and 59 pledged Obama delegates were allowed to attend the 2008 Democratic convention, but their votes would only count as half a vote. The effective Michigan pledged delegate count was 34.5 for Clinton and 29.5 for Obama.

[prospectheightsresident]

Originally Posted by djmilf

Ready for reality? Because here it comes.

I know that in this context you use the word 'leftist' as a pejorative term, but the reality is that I voted for John McCain in the 2008 Michigan primary. But it was still an ad-hominen attack on your part - not a good start at a rebuttal, but when the facts are against you...

Obama wasn't "on the ballot". He withdrew his name before the ballots were printed. That means that no one in Michigan had the chance to vote for him in the 2008 Democratic presidential primary.

The DNC didn't ultimately end up counting the popular vote "as a show of unity". The count that mattered was the delegate count from Michigan. The final result was that a compromise was reached where 69 pledged Clinton delegates and 59 pledged Obama delegates were allowed to attend the 2008 Democratic convention, but their votes would only count as half a vote. The effective Michigan pledged delegate count was 34.5 for Clinton and 29.5 for Obama.

So, essentially, the DNC counted half of the ballots in each state by that logic. Even with that count, Hillary still beats Obama in the popular vote in the 2008 primary.

[ironlady]

Originally Posted by theunbrainwashed

If you have a village of 10 people, and they're voting for a mayor, 8 live in town, and 2 live out on the outskirts of town on farms. You really think those 2 outskirt residents have the voting power of 5 townspeople? That's what it comes down to, literally. Sorry, but the lesson here is, people vote, not grass or dirt

Aw, I'm so sorry you didn't get a good education on how the government works, or why the Founding Fathers set up the system the way they did. The electoral college gives voice to people across the United States, because the needs of the farmer in Oklahoma are far different from the needs of the urban dweller. Equal representation.

[WhipperSnapper 88]

Originally Posted by theunbrainwashed

It's a mandate gauge. We're repeatedly told won by a "yuge" landslide, when not only he lost the popular vote, but did you know that the GOP actually LOST seats in the House? Trump won through clever campaigning. That much is fair. Hilary won a "moral victory", which means Trump may have legitimately won, but he's not as popular as you think he is. Last time the GOP assumed this was the case was when Bush was president, and your party suffered a crushing defeat in the Congress later on.

So actually, I hope the GOP does their usual overreach whenever they let victory get in their heads. Trump would have to play ball with a Democratic Congress



Has nothing to do with the topic. Grass and cows don't vote. Did you respect Obama when he was your president?

Ever notice that only the losers ever talk about "mandates" and "moral victory"...?


More to your original point, people are constantly trying to cut numbers up and look at things in different ways to make themselves feel better about losing results. Both sides do it. Bottom line? A loss is a loss, a win is a win.

[nononsenseguy]

Originally Posted by DoomDan515

Why do Dems like to cry "But Hillary won the popular vote!!!" Over and over again.

Because they are ignorant. They do not understand that we are a Republic, not a democracy, and the President is not a representative of the people. He is a Representative of the States in matters of foreign policy, and that's why he is elected by the states through the electoral college. The States created the Federal government

Trump was elected by the majority of states.

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by Vector1

I get your point, but it also undermines those who want to claim Hillary should have won because she got more votes.
Aside from that not being our system, if people who live in urban environments (which does not make up the majority of this country) have different needs/philosophy, they should not dictate to the rest of the country who does not live like they do.
So yes, the argument of greater land mass does not hold water, but neither does saying a few urban hellholes around the country should either.

Frankly, win or lose, everyone should thank the wisdom of the Founding Fathers for giving us this great form of government, which includes the electoral college. It was needed to form our union, and still sustains us to this very day. States rights are probably the only thing still holding us together at this point, and will continue to help us during the times we are so polarized against each other.

You are still making the geography argument as if cities being blue and having a smaller land mass makes the votes of the individuals there mean less.

We have an electoral college, because some of our founding fathers were slave owners, and wanted their slaves counted towards representation.

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by nononsenseguy

Because they are ignorant. They do not understand that we are a Republic, not a democracy,

Alliteration (Democratic/Democracy, Republican/Republic) does not make something true.

All squares are rectangles, just as all Republics are Democracies.

Regardless of which name you want to use, none of it has to do with the electoral college, as you dont need one to be a democracy or republic.

and the President is not a representative of the people. He is a Representative of the States in matters of foreign policy, and that's why he is elected by the states through the electoral college. The States created the Federal government

Trump was elected by the majority of states.

1. The President is never said to represent the states anywhere in the Constitution or the Federalist Papers, but even with in context, the power of the states come from their people.

2. You only need to win the 12 biggest states to become President, you dont need the majority of them. You just need a proportional majority of those 12 states.

[eddiehaskell]

It's hilarious to see all the crying as if Trump suddenly concocted the electoral college. Like I've heard before, Dems are caught up in that 1960 World Series thought loop. But we scored way more runs...but our offense and defense were more impressive, but, but, but....