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Old 04-30-2017, 12:18 PM
 
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CBS had an interesting show on Neil Degrassi Tyson this morning. He started off discussing Einstein who made his first mark on the science world by upending centuries of " settled science" on gravity.

There's no such thing as settled science.
And yet, apples didn't suspend themselves in the air awaiting the outcome.
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Old 04-30-2017, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Of course there is "settled science".

There is the amazing science that enables all of us to engage in this conversation with a computer and an internet connection from almost anywhere in the world.

There is the science that enables us to travel by plane, train, boat, and automobile - and arrive precisely where we want to be. Add travel by rocket to that.

There is the science that enables us to light and heat our homes - without having to build a fire to do that.

There is the science that allows us to live longer and healthier lives through medical advances, particularly over the last hundred years or so.

Will there be improvements in all of those applications of science? Of course, but the basics are "settled".
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Old 04-30-2017, 01:12 PM
 
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And yet, apples didn't suspend themselves in the air awaiting the outcome.
How do you know? How many apples have you seen fall while not present and un-instrumented for remote observation (so no camera, accelerometer attached to the test apple etc.)?

Until there is an observer they very well may suspend themselves awaiting the outcome. Ever hear of Shrodingers cat?
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Old 04-30-2017, 01:32 PM
 
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How do you know? How many apples have you seen fall while not present and un-instrumented for remote observation (so no camera, accelerometer attached to the test apple etc.)?

Until there is an observer they very well may suspend themselves awaiting the outcome. Ever hear of Shrodingers cat?
Even more so fascinating, they have shown that particles act differently while being observed. The mere act of observation affects the experimental findings.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0227055013.htm
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Old 04-30-2017, 04:35 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Vaccines have "helped control" every disease for which there is a vaccine. There is no question vaccines work; no question that they do not cause autism, no question that the risks of the diseases are orders of magnitude higher than the risks of the diseases they prevent.
I need to reword the underlined part: than the risks of the vaccines.
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Old 04-30-2017, 04:36 PM
 
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How do you know? How many apples have you seen fall while not present and un-instrumented for remote observation (so no camera, accelerometer attached to the test apple etc.)?

Until there is an observer they very well may suspend themselves awaiting the outcome. Ever hear of Shrodingers cat?
I think you've been reading too many sci-fi novels.
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Old 04-30-2017, 08:38 PM
 
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I think you've been reading too many sci-fi novels.
So I take it you haven't heard of or dispute Quantum Wavefunction Collapse. Which is it?

You make that sound like it could be a bad thing. And it could if it were soft Sci-Fi, but hard Sci-Fi like Asimov, Niven, Banks, Brin, is written by real scientists using real theories of understanding. Maybe if you read a little more, and wrote a little less you would realize that the OP merely states, settled science is an oxymoron, science is never settled,

Further the scenario I provided is a real issue within QM/QT/QFT, and there are competing theories to . How do you know the apple fell? Or do you just presume? Can you be certain that when you looked that the apple just did not disappear from the branch then reappear on the ground?

However science isn't about observation so much as actual reasoning as to how and sometimes why observations occur. So back to the apple and a question if there is settled science. If the apple falls, why do you think it does, Newtons Theory, Einstein's Theory or Quantum Theory? If Newtons is settled, then why did Einstein develop his theory? If Einsteins is settled, why are we developing a quantum gravity theory (and why did we hunt for the Higgs Boson)?
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Old 04-30-2017, 08:46 PM
 
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So I take it you haven't heard of or dispute Quantum Wavefunction Collapse. Which is it?

You make that sound like it could be a bad thing. And it could if it were soft Sci-Fi, but hard Sci-Fi like Asimov, Niven, Banks, Brin, is written by real scientists using real theories of understanding. Maybe if you read a little more, and wrote a little less you would realize that the OP merely states, settled science is an oxymoron, science is never settled,

Further the scenario I provided is a real issue within QM/QT/QFT, and there are competing theories to . How do you know the apple fell? Or do you just presume? Can you be certain that when you looked that the apple just did not disappear from the branch then reappear on the ground?

However science isn't about observation so much as actual reasoning as to how and sometimes why observations occur. So back to the apple and a question if there is settled science. If the apple falls, why do you think it does, Newtons Theory, Einstein's Theory or Quantum Theory? If Newtons is settled, then why did Einstein develop his theory? If Einsteins is settled, why are we developing a quantum gravity theory (and why did we hunt for the Higgs Boson)?
Anything is possible.

Maybe we are all living in The Matrix.
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Old 05-01-2017, 08:44 AM
 
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A New York Times columnist who was “harangued” for months by “bullying Trump supporters” says he’s now being blasted by the “nasty left” — after he penned a piece about how absurd it was to blindly support climate change, without listening to both sides of the argument.
Times columnist blasted by ‘nasty left’ for climate change piece | New York Post
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Old 05-02-2017, 06:57 AM
 
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Of course science shouldn't be free from criticism. However, not all criticism is valid. Often times, scientific claims are attacked by claims that are entirely unscientific, then the defense of "science should not be free of criticism" is used to defend the stupid criticism.
But who gets to decide what is "stupid criticism?" You? The government?

Sometimes what has been labeled as "stupid criticism" turns out to be the truth just like the story in the OP.
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