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Old 05-20-2017, 11:19 AM
 
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The argument is that the disclosure was of no significance, which was corroborated by the national security advisor, and was probably the morally and ethically correct thing to do.
Malarky.

If it was of no significance, WH staff would not have raced to NSA, CIA, etc. to tell them to take steps to minimize the damage done to intelligence sources. They would not have asked that certain details relayed to the Russians not be distributed by media.

If it was the morally and ethically correct thing to do, McMasters would have directed the intelligence services to do this, not leak it to a couple of Russian spy handlers.

McMasters did a weak ass job of covering by saying Trump didn't discuss sources or methods, although this could be figured out fast enough.

You're behind on the RW talking points. Now they are saying that Trump can declassify anything he wants and tell anyone he wants because he's president (and we're not). He can even pass out highly classified information from the special access program, or SAP, which is protected with unique access and security protocols.

Republicans are claiming that Trump can give any classified national security information to anyone he wants any time he wants.

Think on that for a moment.

 
Old 05-20-2017, 11:52 AM
 
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Originally Posted by GotHereQuickAsICould View Post
Malarky.

If it was of no significance, WH staff would not have raced to NSA, CIA, etc. to tell them to take steps to minimize the damage done to intelligence sources. They would not have asked that certain details relayed to the Russians not be distributed by media.

If it was the morally and ethically correct thing to do, McMasters would have directed the intelligence services to do this, not leak it to a couple of Russian spy handlers.

McMasters did a weak ass job of covering by saying Trump didn't discuss sources or methods, although this could be figured out fast enough.

You're behind on the RW talking points. Now they are saying that Trump can declassify anything he wants and tell anyone he wants because he's president (and we're not). He can even pass out highly classified information from the special access program, or SAP, which is protected with unique access and security protocols.

Republicans are claiming that Trump can give any classified national security information to anyone he wants any time he wants.

Think on that for a moment.
The problem with your arguments in general is they are based on Hate Trump and Tribal reactions. There was no secretes revealed that was need to have a dialogue on our joint concerns. We do not know whom leaked the information which is a security issue and what exactly was revealed.
Putin even offer a transcript on the meeting! I know we are not best friends with Putin and Mother Russia, however as a world power we must be able to speak to other countries like Russia to avoid war and Terrorism.


Many of the LW sources are ghost sources with no real teeth to say that I any source is real. I see anger and violence on the streets and your side approves of such action.


Your buddies in black that are destroy and assaulting citizens are lucky that the Police or National Guard have not used lethal force yet!
 
Old 05-20-2017, 01:30 PM
 
Location: At the Lake (in Texas)
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Originally Posted by GHOSTRIDER AZ View Post
The problem with your arguments in general is they are based on Hate Trump and Tribal reactions. There was no secretes revealed that was need to have a dialogue on our joint concerns. We do not know whom leaked the information which is a security issue and what exactly was revealed.
Putin even offer a transcript on the meeting! I know we are not best friends with Putin and Mother Russia, however as a world power we must be able to speak to other countries like Russia to avoid war and Terrorism. . . .

Oh well then...if Putin offered a transcript then it MUST be the truth...LOL

However, now that Trump has his gold "Rocky" chain from Saudi Arabia, maybe he'll decide to go live there instead of Russia since SA gives better "gold" presents!
 
Old 05-20-2017, 04:44 PM
 
Location: S.E. US
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Originally Posted by mollygee View Post
Trump tweets and speaks his own language. He can't seem to quit blabbing and tweeting. Maybe, if someone would put duct tape over his mouth and tape his fingers together, he would be an ok guy.

I don't think he is Presidential material........oh, is it too late for a recount?

MSM? No, DJT., has put our country in a crisis mode and he does not even give a RATS behind........... Maybe, he should move to Russia. The leaders he adores so much, will welcome him with open arms. Right? Wrong.
The mighty, proud and powerful liberal media, who imagine themselves as true 'journalists', have given the impression the country is in a crisis mode. It's the fault of the liberal audiences that buy this stuff and swallow it whole without digesting.

There is no crisis mode other than that perception which MSM wants to feed to keep alive.

A year of searching for 'collusion' with the Russians and nothing -- NOTHING -- found. You'd think, wouldn't you that if there's anything to be found they would have found it. Or the investigators are incompetent. Which do you think it is?

But, no, MSM is still on a "Russian roll."

 
Old 05-20-2017, 05:14 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Originally Posted by southward bound View Post
The mighty, proud and powerful liberal media, who imagine themselves as true 'journalists', have given the impression the country is in a crisis mode. It's the fault of the liberal audiences that buy this stuff and swallow it whole without digesting.

There is no crisis mode other than that perception which MSM wants to feed to keep alive.

A year of searching for 'collusion' with the Russians and nothing -- NOTHING -- found. You'd think, wouldn't you that if there's anything to be found they would have found it. Or the investigators are incompetent. Which do you think it is?

But, no, MSM is still on a "Russian roll."

Since the Democrats are so determined to find a crime, perhaps they should make it easy on themselves and re-investigate Hilllary? But, then, probably no one wants to turn up like Seth Rich.
 
Old 05-20-2017, 05:20 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Originally Posted by southward bound View Post
The mighty, proud and powerful liberal media, who imagine themselves as true 'journalists', have given the impression the country is in a crisis mode. It's the fault of the liberal audiences that buy this stuff and swallow it whole without digesting.

There is no crisis mode other than that perception which MSM wants to feed to keep alive.

A year of searching for 'collusion' with the Russians and nothing -- NOTHING -- found. You'd think, wouldn't you that if there's anything to be found they would have found it. Or the investigators are incompetent. Which do you think it is?

But, no, MSM is still on a "Russian roll."

Anderson Cooper, Wolf(man) Blitzer and Rachel Madcow have been claiming, "it's over,"it's finished." This they base on hearsay 'evidence' that even if true, according to Alan Dershowitz, is not a crime; it's not obstruction of justice. Trump has the Constitutional authority to ask for the end of any investigation he wants too, just as he has the Constitutional authority to ask for an investigation (as Obama did in this case). But investigations are normally begun upon finding evidence of a crime. In this case, there isn't any, and never has been.

The job of law enforcement is to enforce the law and to investigate crime, not to investigate if my neighbor has committed a crime. A police state does that.
 
Old 05-20-2017, 05:58 PM
 
Location: S.E. US
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Anderson Cooper, Wolf(man) Blitzer and Rachel Madcow have been claiming, "it's over,"it's finished." This they base on hearsay 'evidence' that even if true, according to Alan Dershowitz, is not a crime; it's not obstruction of justice. Trump has the Constitutional authority to ask for the end of any investigation he wants too, just as he has the Constitutional authority to ask for an investigation (as Obama did in this case). But investigations are normally begun upon finding evidence of a crime. In this case, there isn't any, and never has been.

The job of law enforcement is to enforce the law and to investigate crime, not to investigate if my neighbor has committed a crime. A police state does that.


And this is key: Investigations are begun upon finding evidence of a crime. The appointment of a Special Investigator (to go on a hunt, in effect) is out of place and premature.

Maddow et al will have to find something else to be outraged about.
 
Old 05-20-2017, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Western North Carolina
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Originally Posted by shaker281 View Post
Recorded in a memo.

Congress has a copy.

Is THAT the only part of my post you are able to take issue with? Nice!
Ah, no, they don't. No one has a copy of the alleged Comey memo, that's why on May 17 the House Oversight committee asked for all documents, transmissions, memos, etc to be produced to the committee by May 24. The memo they do have is Rosenstein's memo of why Comey was fired. Rosenstein admits writing his and stands behind it, his words.

There is an excellent time line of the whole Comey memo story at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFw08ZKZvi8 , feel free to disregard the presenter's opinions. In fact, I recommend it. But follow the time line of the story as presented and you'll get a very clear explanation of this entire made up MSM 'story' .
 
Old 05-20-2017, 08:11 PM
 
Location: *
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Sheeesh. Donald Trump must really be in trouble when a huckster like Stephen Molyneux is shilling for him.
 
Old 05-20-2017, 09:52 PM
 
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A year of searching for 'collusion' with the Russians and nothing -- NOTHING -- found. You'd think, wouldn't you that if there's anything to be found they would have found it. Or the investigators are incompetent. Which do you think it is?

But, no, MSM is still on a "Russian roll."

Check your tick-tock. Hasn't been a year.

The FBI investigation into the Kremlin interfering in our elections started last July. Judging from the look on Republican's faces when they come out of those close-door sessions and the fact that none of these GOP glory hounds will even talk to the press, I can't wait to see what turns up at the hearings.

There are currently at least five investigations/hearings underway.

Mueller as special counsel is leading an independent Russia probe.

FBI is investigating any related criminal matters.

Senate Intelligence Committee

House Intelligence Committee

House Judiciary Committee

Did I forget any?

The idea that a Republican Congress would back five separate hearings/investigation over unfounded and untrue media reports is ridiculous on the face of it.
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