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Old 05-20-2017, 07:22 PM
 
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- about a question that shouldn't have been asked, and was irrelevant to the country.
Again, educate yourself on the history of this. When he was asked that question it had nothing to do with Ken Starr's investigation. He was being sued in civil court for sexual harassment when asked that question and it was 100% relevant to that lawsuit. It only became relevant to this country when it was determined by his own admission that he lied.
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Old 05-20-2017, 07:30 PM
 
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To answer the OP: "No."

You asked a question to a group of people not famous for their introspection.

These are the same people who do not see how their treatment of Obama at Putin's behest demeaned the highest office in the land.

They'd make great communist apparatchiks.
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Old 05-20-2017, 07:38 PM
 
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I was just thinking about this. It was clear a year ago that Trump was unfit to be president, whether you were considering it in terms of his unstable temperament, his lack of experience, or his general ignorance. But it seems to me that one reason that Democrats were instantly ready to look for reasons to impeach dates back to the Republican treatment of Bill Clinton.

Prior to Bill Clinton, the last discussion of impeachment had been two decades earlier, triggered by Nixon's attempt to undermine the electoral process. By contrast, Bill Clinton was a generally popular president, smart, experienced, presiding over a fairly good period. But Republican were so rabid to undermine him that they latched onto everything they could, finally fixating on a relationship that was tawdry, but certainly not illegal, and certainly not imperiling the country, as had been the case with Nixon. They were fixating on his having lied, under oath, about a purely personal matter that no one should have been asking about.

But I think it may have opened the door for today. Because if Republicans were so quick to go off the deep end for something so inconsequential, surely that gives Democrat the ammunition to immediately object to something that is, again, potentially undermining the basic underpinnings of the country.
It's possible that impeachment proceedings could be brought against Trump. Pretty unlikely that he will be removed from office however. Didn't happen with Clinton, and didn't happen with Nixon - he resigned before it could. That requires a 2/3 vote for removal in the Senate, a very high bar.

That is, based on events through May 20. Each day brings news craziness with Trump, so tomorrow this could surely change.
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Old 05-20-2017, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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If impeachment proceedings begin against Donald Trump, they will be nothing like the hasty, ill-prepared, slapdash proceedings against Clinton at all.

It would take a sizable group of Republicans and all the Democrats in the House to pass articles of impeachment, which is the accusal, and it would require a 2/3 majority in the Senate to convict. Considering the Republican majorities in both Houses, that's a mighty tall order to fill.

Trump would have to lose all the Republican caucus's confidence before any proceedings began just to get the bill to the floor of the House, and that's very unlikely to happen unless the public all want Trump gone first. No one will act unless they know they have the full support of their voters first.

It's far more likely that Trump will resign if or when his popularity completely vanishes. Given his tendency to shoot himself in the foot, and then double down and do it again, resignation is more plausible, but not likely unless things get much worse for him than they are now.
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Old 05-28-2017, 12:25 AM
 
Location: Panama City, FL
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G.O.P. = Goat Orgy Perverts

They make me sick! Yuck - nasty Republicans are filthy! Impeach the Head Pig.
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Old 05-28-2017, 12:41 AM
 
Location: near bears but at least no snakes
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Politics in this country have been sleazy and corrupt for so long that it's hard to really know where to start. JFK should have been impeached for womanizing and sleazy Mafia connections. Before that, there was always the Military Industry and Big Banks, Big Oil. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

No one knows how deeply Trump and his cronies are involved but it's always worse than it first seems to be. Follow the money.
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Old 05-28-2017, 01:52 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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I was just thinking about this. It was clear a year ago that Trump was unfit to be president, whether you were considering it in terms of his unstable temperament, his lack of experience, or his general ignorance. But it seems to me that one reason that Democrats were instantly ready to look for reasons to impeach dates back to the Republican treatment of Bill Clinton.

Prior to Bill Clinton, the last discussion of impeachment had been two decades earlier, triggered by Nixon's attempt to undermine the electoral process. By contrast, Bill Clinton was a generally popular president, smart, experienced, presiding over a fairly good period. But Republican were so rabid to undermine him that they latched onto everything they could, finally fixating on a relationship that was tawdry, but certainly not illegal, and certainly not imperiling the country, as had been the case with Nixon. They were fixating on his having lied, under oath, about a purely personal matter that no one should have been asking about.

But I think it may have opened the door for today. Because if Republicans were so quick to go off the deep end for something so inconsequential, surely that gives Democrat the ammunition to immediately object to something that is, again, potentially undermining the basic underpinnings of the country.
Bill Clinton was payback for Nixon. Nixon should have finished his term, Clinton should never have been impeached and Trump will finish both terms and not be impeached.
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Old 05-28-2017, 02:10 AM
 
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Bill Clinton was payback for Nixon. Nixon should have finished his term, Clinton should never have been impeached and Trump will finish both terms and not be impeached.
Trump has done too much damage to the GOP. Eventually they will impeach him to stop the damage. Pence will help them recover their polling numbers enough to have some hope of maintaining the majority in the Senate.
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Old 05-28-2017, 03:50 AM
 
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Oh?

As I said - did you read? - he lied about a private intimate matter, which was legal
He didn't just lie, he committed perjury, which is illegal.

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about which the questions should have not been asked
That is your opinion. Others disagree.
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Old 05-28-2017, 03:57 AM
 
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Oh?

As I said - did you read? - he lied about a private intimate matter, which was legal, about which the questions should have not been asked, which did not impact the country. Can you possibly be so willfully dense as to think that's worse than the way the Trump investigation is headed? Yes, "so far," as you say. Yet, many smoking guns, and he's barely past the 100-day mark.

Funny, I can't help but wonder if you were one of the many accusing Hillary, who, despite all her years in the arena also has not been found guilty of anything serious, despite the appalling sight of Trump supporters chanting "String her up!"
Yes, Trump supporters are that dense willfully and willingly so.
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