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ISIS wants to take over the world, London elects the first Muslim mayor of a western capital and they already get two terrorist attacks. It's about preserving western civilized society as we know it so our cities arent like those in the middle east with constant bombings as regular lives.
Most cities in the ME are relatively safe compared to cities in the US.
Conventional warfare is best known as set piece battles, army against army.
Terrorism flips that on the head, it goes after civilians, wears no uniforms and tries to blend in with the population so they are not caught. There are no rules and standards that dictate how they act, and their goal is to sow fear and discord.
You can't destroy the jihadists with candlelight vigils, you can't destroy an idea-ology with weapons and bombs either.
"destroy" is an interesting use of word. I don't think terrorism can be eliminated because even terrorism has changed over time.
Terrorism arises from an extremist misinterpretation of certain parts of the Islamic scripture, mixed with all kinds of political motivation.
To erase it from the world entirely requires a major change of heart in a whole lot of people and is quite an overwhelming task.
It won't be achieved by any heroic or violent means, because killing off a whole lot of terrorists just martyrs them in the eyes of their fellows and ends up motivating even more.
Dealing with terrorism, well, isolationism seems like a good solution.
Liberals live in la la land. Islam sees them as cowards and idiots. I'd hate to go to man to man war with Islam. Can you imagine our snowflakes going up against these muslims!!
Let me guess, we need to ban Islam and deport all Muslims? We call that a crime against humanity. That makes us no better than the radical Islamic terrorists we claim to oppose
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT ISIS WANTS!!!!!!! They want stupid morons to advocate moronic policies so that they have more propaganda to try and get more moderate Muslims to join their cause. UGGGHHHHH
Don't you guys know the basics of COIN and 4th generation warfare?
They are going to hate us regardless of our policies. Look at Europe- they are NOT expelling muslims, but letting them in. How is that working out for them!? They are going to try to destroy us NO MATTER how we respond. Crazy is as crazy does. In Western Europe- stupid and cowardly is as stupid and cowardly does!
Conventional warfare is best known as set piece battles, army against army.
It doesn't work like that if one side begins the war on false pretense. GWB and Blair will agree to it. They used WMDs to begin the warfare. Terrorists do something similar to justify their action.
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Terrorism flips that on the head, it goes after civilians, wears no uniforms and tries to blend in with the population so they are not caught. There are no rules and standards that dictate how they act, and their goal is to sow fear and discord.
Terrorism is spreading terror. Killing peaceful people is murder.
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You can't destroy the jihadists with candlelight vigils, you can't destroy an idea-ology with weapons and bombs either.
I will come back to the point about destroying a certain idea-ology but here I must point out that the term "jihadists" is completely misunderstood in the West. The word "Jihad" (an Arabic word for striving in a peaceful manner in Islam) has nothing to do with warfare. It is the word "Jahad" that can be striving in a war situation. Therefore, the correct word to use, if one has to, is "Jahadists". The difference seems to be subtle but is quite significant in reality. Even our political leaders trying to eliminate terrorism haven't a clue about it.
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"destroy" is an interesting use of word. I don't think terrorism can be eliminated because even terrorism has changed over time.
Not only it is evolving, to destroy it, one must understand the nature of it. It can be destroyed only once you know it inside out. Then it can be destroyed from inside.
At the moment, we are doing opposite to what will really destroy the idea-ology of the extremists who use Islam in a twisted manner to justify their actions. The best way to counteract their idea is to use the same subject in a correct manner.
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Terrorism arises from an extremist misinterpretation of certain parts of the Islamic scripture, mixed with all kinds of political motivation.
Exactly the point!
You have hit the nail on its head.
Extremist misinterpretation of certain parts of the Islamic scripture can be destroyed only by the correct interpretation of these parts of the Islamic scripture. Once their interpretation is discredited (media and politicians can help greatly), they will have no room to radicalize other gullible ones.
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To erase it from the world entirely requires a major change of heart in a whole lot of people and is quite an overwhelming task.
True! But it will never be erased unless we begin to erase it.
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It won't be achieved by any heroic or violent means, because killing off a whole lot of terrorists just martyrs them in the eyes of their fellows and ends up motivating even more.
Actually, what motivates others is not killing the terrorists but when they wrongly assume that terrorists were correct in their interpretation of the Islamic scripture. There is nothing in the Islamic scripture (the Qur'an) that tells them to kill peaceful people of any or of no religion.
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Dealing with terrorism, well, isolationism seems like a good solution.
Terrorism (murder in reality) can be isolated and destroyed if we starve it of its food with the poison. Giving them the correct interpretation of the Islamic scripture and calling them "kafir" (those who hide/conceal the truth of Islamic scripture) will starve them of the food they feed on.
They are then going to feel so degraded by being called "kafir" that they will be forced to go back to the drawing boards and will want to be known as Muslims again. A Muslim does as guided by the Islamic scripture.
FYI, the Islamic scripture guides Muslims in the following manner:
[60.8-9] Allah does not forbid you respecting those who have not made war against you on account of (your) religion, and have not driven you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness and deal with them justly; surely Allah loves the doers of justice. Allah only forbids you respecting those who made war upon you on account of (your) religion, and drove you forth from your homes and backed up (others) in your expulsion, that you make friends with them, and whoever makes friends with them, these are the unjust.
Muslims can be friendly with peaceful non-Muslims according to the Islamic scripture. A Muslim will go out to kill these peaceful non-Muslims only if he is acting as a "kafir" (hiding/concealing the above truth in the scripture).
Unfortunately, our politicians are not going to use this strategy to eliminate terrorism. They think that associating them with Islam by calling them "Islamic terrorists" and "Islamists" will deter them. No. It is giving them confidence to be associated with Islam.
It's already beginning, facebook friends changing their profile pictures with a "We stand with London" banner" do these idiots realize doing this stupid gimmicks does nothing to stop terrorism?! Political correctness is going to destroy Western civilization. Imagine if WW2 were today, people would be more focused on not connecting Nazis with Germans.
For he follows the ethics of his prophet
And justifies and imitates them
His prophet slaughtered the Jews as he watched scenes of slaughter
His followers follow him in the tradition of slaughtering al-kfar
I think the idiot justifies the actions of that prophet as being human
I think it's stupid to say this is the good man's morality
Some Muslims also spread lies and misinformation
It is like a parrot
If he opened his mind and read the verses of fighting
He had to reject that book
We discuss terrorism and its causes
I believe in what the Hindus worship because he is better than the one who calls for killing
Do you know why?
Because the Hindu god calls for peace
While the God of Islam does not call for peace
I hear some say that Islamic countries do not have terrorism
That's true
The reason is obvious
The Islamic religion is prevalent in that country
So terrorism has no goals in that country
Because the first goal of terrorism in modern times is the spread of Islam
Through terrorism Muslims in England will negotiate for gains and advantages
It's fear
They believe the Europeans will be afraid of terrorism and surrender
And they will believe in Muhammad the prophet of the desert of the Arabs
Will be able to spread his religion in these territories
So this is the first goal of Islamic terrorism in countries that believe in freedom
I think that Europe will not succumb to this terrorism
History says so
Muslim invaders arrived in Spain
But the Europeans expelled them
Because they knew the teachings of evil and darkness
I believe that the ancestors of the Spaniards, the Gremanians and all the European peoples are capable of expelling evil from their lands
Yes, the evil ideology will not be accepted by the Europeans
The difference is great between following freedom and following slavery
They fought those who do not believe in Allah nor in the Last Day, nor deny what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, nor condemn the religion of truth from those who have given the Book to give the tribute by hand,
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It is enough to mislead people
The words are clearly declared fighting and since 1400 and to this day the fighting continues and the reason for these and other verses of fighting
Islamic schools are in secret
They differ in front of people
All Islamic schools say it is the Word of God
But they are different because of their circumstances and because of time
If the power of the Muslims, they declare this verse on its combat side
But if they are weak or want to mislead, they try to interpret it apart from their original words and meanings
You cannot destroy the Jihadist no matter what you do. Most attempts at destroying them will simply create more than you destroy. There is an Islamic world out there that can produce unlimited numbers of Jihadists. And forceful suppression will likely increase the recruitment.
This is one of those "you have to win over their hearts" not destroy their bodies things.
We destroyed the controlling structures when we went into Iraq. And now the west will pay the penalty until some new quasi-stable thing is formed.
Do you win their hearts by making concessions to them
And embrace their faith
The best way is to reveal their faith fully
And put them in front of two options
Their faith is darkness and slavery
And to go to the Black Stone
Or to leave that doctrine
And believe in the values of your countries in freedom
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