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Old 06-04-2017, 07:58 PM
 
Location: Austin TX
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yes your statistics would be effected by that. But by how much? Where are your numbers?

If you wish to claim the Texas numbers are effected by incoming migrants you need to do more than point out there are some.
Politifact reported that 63% of the 8974 births at two Houston hospitals alone - Ben Taub and LBJ - were born to undocumented mothers in 2010. Here's a link to that report, in which they arrived at that figure themselves only after debunking a previous erroneous report which was even higher.

Debbie Riddle says more than 81% of babies born at Houston hospital have moms here illegally | PolitiFact Texas

Dallas News put the 2010 state total at 60,000 births to undocumented mothers.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/texa...00-babies-3859

The State of Texas no longer publishes their annual figures on births to undocumented mothers, so without more extensive research I can't provide links to more recent numbers.

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Old 06-04-2017, 08:01 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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#1 Isn't it anti-intellectual to break a region off of a country and then compare it to countries? Couldn't I break regions off of Russia for example and find worse statistics?

#2 Isn't it anti-intellectual to ignore that much of the spike comes from immigrant mothers on the move coming up from destitute circumstances in developing countries?
If it is true that we are simply seeing a spike from external immigrants. Just show the numbers. If however there is a big Black set in the numbers it will be much more difficult to deny a problem.
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Old 06-04-2017, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Austin TX
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Here's a report from the Center for Public Policies with some statistics and outline of the care programs available for low income and immigrant families here in TX.

It's not that Texas just doesn't give a crap. We're very cash-strapped and overwhelmed by the number of people needing care.

http://forabettertexas.org/images/HW...FullReport.pdf
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Old 06-04-2017, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Austin TX
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One last link for people who enjoy long reading (lol) and stats. I'll include an excerpt with numbers on what Texas spends on benefits for low income and undocumented families. It's not a negligible amount.

https://www.texaspolicy.com/library/...as-Economy.pdf

Immigrants in Texas experience higher poverty rates than natives, with about 30 percent of illegal immigrants below the poverty threshold and 65 percent in or near poverty. Consequently, we observe some reliance on public assistance programs. Approximately 58 percent of undocumented immigrants in Texas make use of a major welfare program, with 41 percent receiving Medicaid, 49 percent receiving food assistance and 1 percent receiving cash assistance.

Welfare use is much higher among immigrants, both legal and illegal, who have children. In Texas, 70 percent of illegal immigrant households with children make use of some welfare program, compared with 54 percent of legal immigrants with children and 38 percent of natives with children. Arizona is the only state with higher rates of welfare use by immigrant households with children.

It is estimated that Texas Emergency Medicaid pays out $62 million dollars a year to undocumented immigrants, the Texas Family Violence Program pays $1.3 million, Texas CHIP Perinatal Coverage pays out $33 million and Uncompensated Care incurs costs of $717 million, for a total cost of $803.3 million a year.
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Old 06-04-2017, 08:22 PM
 
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One last link for people who enjoy long reading (lol) and stats. I'll include an excerpt with numbers on what Texas spends on benefits for low income and undocumented families. It's not a negligible amount.

https://www.texaspolicy.com/library/...as-Economy.pdf

Immigrants in Texas experience higher poverty rates than natives, with about 30 percent of illegal immigrants below the poverty threshold and 65 percent in or near poverty. Consequently, we observe some reliance on public assistance programs. Approximately 58 percent of undocumented immigrants in Texas make use of a major welfare program, with 41 percent receiving Medicaid, 49 percent receiving food assistance and 1 percent receiving cash assistance.

Welfare use is much higher among immigrants, both legal and illegal, who have children. In Texas, 70 percent of illegal immigrant households with children make use of some welfare program, compared with 54 percent of legal immigrants with children and 38 percent of natives with children. Arizona is the only state with higher rates of welfare use by immigrant households with children.

It is estimated that Texas Emergency Medicaid pays out $62 million dollars a year to undocumented immigrants, the Texas Family Violence Program pays $1.3 million, Texas CHIP Perinatal Coverage pays out $33 million and Uncompensated Care incurs costs of $717 million, for a total cost of $803.3 million a year.
Most immigrants (illegal+legal) are poor - then we are suppose to be shocked when they are on welfare and have similar statistics as those of the poor from where they came from.
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Old 06-04-2017, 08:33 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Here's a report from the Center for Public Policies with some statistics and outline of the care programs available for low income and immigrant families here in TX.

It's not that Texas just doesn't give a crap. We're very cash-strapped and overwhelmed by the number of people needing care.

http://forabettertexas.org/images/HW...FullReport.pdf
Neither of your posts addressed the mortality rate, it's not as if they haven't had higher immigrant surges in the past as other states. Still the went on vacation without addressing the problem.
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Old 06-04-2017, 08:40 PM
 
Location: West Texas
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Now this takes some doing - conservative health care at it's finest:
Study: Texas has highest maternal mortality rate in developed world | abc13.com

The thing about Texas is that it is, in theory, one of the wealthiest places on planet earth. They have money flowing from fracking, oil, chemicals and lots of other industries.

They have the money to build a decent society. And yet they are dead last and not willing to do anything about it. They also have a low rank in education and other metrics - especially considering their resources.

This is what happens when the billionaires and oil men run things. It's so obvious that it amazes me that so-called "thinking conservatives" can't see it. It's the opposite of civilization.

They should be ashamed of themselves - but they are too busy working to loosen up more gun laws.

It's not what you have (Texas has money, land and lots of smart people) - but what you DO with what you have. In that metric, Texas health care is a failure.

Folks should think about that and compare the statistics to a state like MA. where Obamacare (RomneyCare) has been in force for 10 years.

Don't believe in the war on women? Well, the experts say "the doubling of mortality rates in a two-year period was hard to explain “in the absence of war, natural disaster, or severe economic upheaval”.

So Texas managed to accomplish the nearly impossible task of killing more women than thought possible in normal times.
Thr research showed that the USA is next to last in mortality rates, next to Mexico.

If you had read your link, you would have known that. Instead, you and the author singled out Texas, which led to your misplaced and liberal biased rant. This is a national problem, not just in Texas.
Comprehension is everything.
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Old 06-04-2017, 08:59 PM
 
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Neither of your posts addressed the mortality rate, it's not as if they haven't had higher immigrant surges in the past as other states. Still the went on vacation without addressing the problem.
Why should the legislature do anything about this? What could the legislature do about this? Why don't you and Craigiri fix the problem with your money?

The race that lays the golden eggs is only 45% of the Texas population, and we can't (and shouldn't be asked to) provide the third world with first-world living standards while they replace us in our own homeland.
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Old 06-04-2017, 09:02 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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ABC = Fake News
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Old 06-04-2017, 09:05 PM
 
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Politifact reported that 63% of the 8974 births at two Houston hospitals alone - Ben Taub and LBJ - were born to undocumented mothers in 2010. Here's a link to that report, in which they arrived at that figure themselves only after debunking a previous erroneous report which was even higher.

Debbie Riddle says more than 81% of babies born at Houston hospital have moms here illegally | PolitiFact Texas

Dallas News put the 2010 state total at 60,000 births to undocumented mothers.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/texa...00-babies-3859

The State of Texas no longer publishes their annual figures on births to undocumented mothers, so without more extensive research I can't provide links to more recent numbers.

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Who is paying for all of those births? If they are undocumented then I think it's safe to assume they don't have health insurance. Is Medicaid eating the bill? At 60,000 births that would the hospital bills at approx. $576 million just for one year, one state.

According to WebMD the cost of a standard birth is approx. $9,600.00 a more complicated one can cost over $15k.

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