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Old 06-16-2017, 12:26 PM
 
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Do you not recall last Sunday when 97% of participants voted to become the 51st state? It's been on the news all week .....
And what percentage cast a ballot? It was something like 23%. The Popular Democratic Party which advocates for remaining a Commonwealth, and the Puerto Rican Independence Party which obviously advocates for independence both boycotted hence the very low voter turnout.

I'll say it again, too many Puerto Ricans who live on the island do not want to become a state. The Commonwealth status they have now is the best of both worlds for them. If you think economic times are bad on the island now imagine if they went independent. No more food assistance, government housing, free health care for the poor, etc.

 
Old 06-16-2017, 12:32 PM
 
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And what percentage cast a ballot? It was something like 23%. The Popular Democratic Party which advocates for remaining a Commonwealth, and the Puerto Rican Independence Party which obviously advocates for independence both boycotted hence the very low voter turnout.

I'll say it again, too many Puerto Ricans who live on the island do not want to become a state. The Commonwealth status they have now is the best of both worlds for them. If you think economic times are bad on the island now imagine if they went independent. No more food assistance, government housing, free health care for the poor, etc.
Both independence and the current territorial status were on the ballot, the supporters of those options should have voted. "Commonwealth" is just the term used by the PDP to mask the reality of the status quo, Puerto Rico's status is the same as it was before 1952. The adoption of the Puerto Rico Constitution changed nothing. It's a territory like Hawaii before 1959 or North Dakota before 1889.

Secondly, independence would never have won anyways. More than 90% of Puerto Ricans are pro-union (either through statehood or through continung the status quo).
 
Old 06-16-2017, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Seoul
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- The American flag looks perfect the way it is now

- Puerto Rico is a very left-wing place politically. Allowing them to be a state means that the Democrats will have a permanent advantage in the Electoral College and in Congress as the new Senate and House seats allotted to them will be filled by Democrats. Puerto Rican voters are also susceptible to the Democrats' racial politics and stand in racial solidarity with illegal Mexicans and Central Americans in favor of illegal immigration and things like the Dream Act and illegal alien amnesty.

- This will be adding another non-English speaking area to the U.S. and will undermine efforts to make English the official language of America

- Yes, Puerto Ricans will have to pay federal taxes if they're a state but they are an economic basket case and will receive far more in federal funds than they pay in. It will be a financial black hole for the American taxpayer, a large version of Detroit, Chicago, Newark or the Bronx.

I truly believe this is a ploy by liberals and Democrats to gain and hold power. THey've tried to push for Washington DC to be a state for a long time and have failed and now they want to try with Puerto Rico. Because the left moving Democrat Party can no longer appeal to the average American, they have to resort to these games.
1) Lol wtf

2) It's left-wing only in that it votes for Democrats, but keep in mind the population is very religious and would support a lot of non-economic Republican decisions. Puerto Rico is not exactly a commie atheist paradise

3) So? Why do you care so much? Puerto Rico is like 1% of US population, I doubt PR is gonna be some giant domino that will make the rest of the states speak spanish. Btw US is a diverse country, how do you think the Navajo or the Cherokee feel about English being the only official language

4) I agree on the economic black hole part, but I disagree on the examples you provided. You do realize that the largest consumers of federal aid are the Southern states, right? Also, cities like NYC and Chicago bring mountains of tourism and business to their respective states, these are not the places you should be complaining about
 
Old 06-16-2017, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Watervliet, NY
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Puerto Ricans were not historically discriminated. They have only benefited from their relationship with the U.S.

PR was an even poorer Spanish colony before they were blessed with U.S citizenship.
I'd hardly call the Sterilization Act a "benefit."

https://stanford.edu/group/womenscou...n-puerto-rico/

In 1936 Law 116 entered into force making sterilization legal and free for women in Puerto Rico while offering no alternative methods of birth control. The prevailing wisdom was that denial of motherhood was a more effective means of incorporating women into the workforce than affordable childcare. The Puerto Rican government and the International Planned Parenthood Federation ran a sterilization program with US government funding, and by 1968 the program had sterilized roughly one third of Puerto Rican women. Numerous studies have shown that misinformation about the procedure caused high rates or regret among sterilized women. Many women were unaware that the procedure was permanent, due in part to the euphemism of “tying tubes.” Additionally, many women had no alternative affordable contraceptive methods, so they opted for sterilization.

Puerto Rico was also one of the places where the Pill was being tested during its development.
 
Old 06-16-2017, 02:26 PM
 
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1) Lol wtf

2) It's left-wing only in that it votes for Democrats, but keep in mind the population is very religious and would support a lot of non-economic Republican decisions. Puerto Rico is not exactly a commie atheist paradise

3) So? Why do you care so much? Puerto Rico is like 1% of US population, I doubt PR is gonna be some giant domino that will make the rest of the states speak spanish. Btw US is a diverse country, how do you think the Navajo or the Cherokee feel about English being the only official language

4) I agree on the economic black hole part, but I disagree on the examples you provided. You do realize that the largest consumers of federal aid are the Southern states, right? Also, cities like NYC and Chicago bring mountains of tourism and business to their respective states, these are not the places you should be complaining about

In deep denial are we? The poster you responded to was spot on. People like Geraldo and Luis Gutierrez come to mind as representative of the Puerto Rican mindset.
 
Old 06-16-2017, 03:13 PM
 
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Actually Puerto Rico has been routinely screwed by the US since time immemorial.

And federal aid to PR is well below average and 50 percent less than poor states like NY...That's on a per capita basis.
 
Old 06-16-2017, 03:47 PM
 
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In deep denial are we? The poster you responded to was spot on. People like Geraldo and Luis Gutierrez come to mind as representative of the Puerto Rican mindset.
I don't really care about Puerto Rico, they have the worst Spanish accent, and I dont like the way some of them talk about other Latinos. But saying that Democrats only want PR for votes is bs
 
Old 06-16-2017, 04:00 PM
 
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I don't really care about Puerto Rico, they have the worst Spanish accent, and I dont like the way some of them talk about other Latinos. But saying that Democrats only want PR for votes is bs

Really? Then why do they desire it?
 
Old 06-16-2017, 04:12 PM
 
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Really? Then why do they desire it?
Because they believe in self determination and democracy.
 
Old 06-16-2017, 04:45 PM
 
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Because they believe in self determination and democracy.
And that 3.4 million American Citizens deserve the same representation as the rest of up.

All this democracy and citizenship stuff is a foreign concept to some of our posters.
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