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Old 06-13-2017, 12:49 PM
 
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I'll take Jay Sekulow's word on the Law covering "Special Counsel" before anyone else's.
Of course you will. And I'm sure the fact that he agrees with your particular take on this issue has nothing to do with that. And, of course, I'm sure it is completely impossible that someone could find other experts in the same field that disagree with that view.
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Old 06-13-2017, 12:51 PM
 
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It's not a matter of "what is appropriate." It's a matter of what the President has the power under the Constitution to do. The President has the power to fire the FBI Director, the Special Counsel (or a Special Prosecutor), and he has the power to shut down the investigation.
You know, you are probably right. I have to concede that.

But it's a sad commentary on how some Americans have fallen under the "ethical leadership" of Trump over the campaign and the first months of his Presidency. AS YOU STATE, it's no longer a matter of what is right, or what is appropriate. If the law allows you to get away with stuff, or to crap all over people, or to wiggle out of your obligations, it no longer makes you slimy (according to Trump's America), it makes you smart.

It's really a sad commentary, and THAT is the reason that so many people are so against Trump. Nothing that one can quantify, just the sad truth that he and his followers have perfected the art of twisting objectivity to bastardize any measure of decency.
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Old 06-13-2017, 12:54 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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And if he did you can kiss your golden one goodbye because Congress would have ZERO choice but to act and come down on Trump Hard, meaning removal from office. The investigation would continue on to find all the illegalities and to see if charges should be filed and on whom, but trump would not be in the oval office. Count on that
Wrong. You cannot impeach a President for exercising his Constitutional authority. Even Alan Dershowitz made that point on CNN recently (speaking to Anderson Cooper).

Right now, Comey (and possibly his Law Professor friend) is in a heap of legal trouble. Mueller may also be, because he accepted the position, even knowing he should have refused it (because of his relationship with Comey).
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Old 06-13-2017, 12:58 PM
 
Location: NC
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Wrong. You cannot impeach a President for exercising his Constitutional authority. Even Alan Dershowitz made that point on CNN recently (speaking to Anderson Cooper).
That is not clearly the truth.

Some experts would agree with you, but some would not. As with most things political, there is a wide variance in interpretation of the law: Presidential Impeachment: The Legal Standard and Procedure - FindLaw
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Old 06-13-2017, 01:00 PM
 
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That's really all you have anymore, don't you? If Obama. . .Hilary. . . What about Obama? Obama is just a regular guy now. Trump is the guy in the Oval Office. You won. Get over the Obama excuse already.
You have to realize that trotting out Obama and Clinton is just a diversionary tactic, and an effort to spin it as a partisan issue. Same as generalizing everyone that opposes Trump as "libs" or "leftists". Scares the hell out of them to realize that the resistance to Trump is wide and deep and crosses all political boundaries. Primarily because Trump really isn't a politician, certainly not a Republican.
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Old 06-13-2017, 01:12 PM
 
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FactCheck.org is not a credible source for checking 'facts.'

I'll take Jay Sekulow's word on the Law covering "Special Counsel" before anyone else's. He has the Law experience, and is a seasoned Lawyer (quite successful, I might add) with Supreme Court experience (Supreme Court Cases are what he usually does).

As a Supreme Court litigator, he has a thorough understanding of the Law and the Constitution.

It seems you do not believe any source, save for those that you wish to believe.


Why should we believe Mr. Sekulow? He is a friend of Donald Trump:


https://aclj.org/persecuted-church/t...he-white-house


Mr. Sekulow does like to talk about the 'liberal' media:


https://aclj.org/national-security/d...o-the-Russians


So, Mr. Sekulow is a supporter of Donald Trump, and is also cited as being part of Trump's legal team:


Jay Sekulow:


Hmm. So you consider Mr. Sekulow to be an objective person?
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Old 06-13-2017, 01:26 PM
 
Location: NC
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It seems you do not believe any source, save for those that you wish to believe.


Why should we believe Mr. Sekulow? He is a friend of Donald Trump:


https://aclj.org/persecuted-church/t...he-white-house


Mr. Sekulow does like to talk about the 'liberal' media:


https://aclj.org/national-security/d...o-the-Russians


So, Mr. Sekulow is a supporter of Donald Trump, and is also cited as being part of Trump's legal team:


Jay Sekulow:


Hmm. So you consider Mr. Sekulow to be an objective person?
Objectivity is only a concern when it's convenient. Lack of it is apparently grounds for imprisonment for Comey, and dismissal for Mueller, but perfectly fine for Sekulow to be annointed the defacto authority.

Common Legalsea; just because there are multiple standards of conduct here is no excuse for you not to keep up with them....
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Old 06-13-2017, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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I would agree generally with your assessment.

However I do take exception of your view that Judge Bork did not receive confirmation to the scotus due to his actions. For starters, Bork prevented an even larger constitutional crisis, and as you point out, his actions led to another SP being appointed that Nixon couldn't fire. So in many ways, he helped the Republic.
Regardless, the liberal Democrats didn't want someone of his great intellect to get on the scotus, as they envisioned him as too influential a conservative, akin to how the upcoming Scalia would be.
Bork was one of the most qualified nominees ever considered, yet the Democrats smeared him with character assassinations. Their over the top rhetoric was designed to demonize him, and sadly they were successful.
You do not see the Republicans engaging in such things, hence the likes of Ruth Bader Ginsburg got on the court.

So while I do have my reservations about Mueller, it would likely not be a smart political move to have him removed. The only reason it might work is that the (R's) control Congress, so they may not appoint another SP, now that this whole Russia farce has been exposed.


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Who's the Victor, Vector? Certainly not Trump, if he makes such a blunder as firing Mueller. I can see the Congressional Republicans, visualizing their seats taking wing in 2018 and landing in the Democrats camp, if they fail to remove Trump after such an action.
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Old 06-13-2017, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Gone
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Wrong. You cannot impeach a President for exercising his Constitutional authority. Even Alan Dershowitz made that point on CNN recently (speaking to Anderson Cooper).

Right now, Comey (and possibly his Law Professor friend) is in a heap of legal trouble. Mueller may also be, because he accepted the position, even knowing he should have refused it (because of his relationship with Comey).
Actually the answer was given today in Sessions testimony, only the man that hired him, can fire him, and that my friend is Not Trump. Oh by the way that man is not going to fire Mueller, so much for that wet dream.
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