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View Poll Results: Would you "turn back the clock" on feminism?
Female - Yes, would turn back the clock on feminism 19 8.64%
Female - No, would not turn back the clock on feminism 89 40.45%
Male - Yes, would turn back the clock on feminism 46 20.91%
Male - No, would not turn back the clock on feminism 66 30.00%
Voters: 220. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-21-2017, 11:17 AM
 
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Sort of like how back in those days, women were essentially told to get married and be housewives, that other pursuits should be reserved for men?


Both my grandmother and my mother told me they really hated that as well.
All I want is to have rights and choose my life. I want that for all humans. Yet in discussing this around this very forum, those sentiments are deemed radical by some. Heaven help us all. This is why even the most basic fight, mild compared to radical feminism, is not over.
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Old 06-21-2017, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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Sort of like how back in those days, women were essentially told to get married and be housewives, that other pursuits should be reserved for men?


Both my grandmother and my mother told me they really hated that as well.
realistically there is good and bad about every generation...and your right, you have no argument from me on those points....however, it isn't anywhere near what I was referring to.
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Old 06-21-2017, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Lexington, Kentucky
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You forgot a few things.

1. He must be swift as a coursing river
2. He must have all the force of a great typhoon
3. He must have the strength of a raging fire.
4. And he definitely must be as mysterious as the mooooooon.





^Lol, I am gonna have that song stuck in my head now!
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Old 06-21-2017, 11:20 AM
 
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Honey those aren't statistics.
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Old 06-21-2017, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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All I want is to have rights and choose my life. I want that for all humans. Yet in discussing this around this very forum, those sentiments are deemed radical by some. Heaven help us all. This is why even the most basic fight, mild compared to radical feminism, is not over.
No, I don't think your radical for feeling the way you do. Not in the least....who wouldn't want the right to choose their own lives...?


there is nothing wrong with feminism, but as in everything else, some people chose to be radical and want it all in the name of their particular agenda.

for instance, like some woman want to work but also want to have babies and are now rallying for more time off....which is ridiculous.

the company, any company has to compensate for the person taking off, not to mention her co-workers...it's not right. I think what they already have is fine.....our company has even given mother's special rooms to pump which I think is nice.
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Old 06-21-2017, 11:34 AM
 
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for instance, like some woman want to work but also want to have babies and are now rallying for more time off....which is ridiculous.

the company, any company has to compensate for the person taking off, not to mention her co-workers...it's not right. I think what they already have is fine.....our company has even given mother's special rooms to pump which I think is nice.

Every other developed nation in the world has made it work.
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Old 06-21-2017, 11:40 AM
 
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In the second wave, we had Betty Friedan and Gloria Steinhem in one group and the likes of Helen Gurley Brown in the other.

And there were some who just never got. Same pay for the same work, medical and law school admission for females had nothing to do with holding a door open. IMO, there are still many people who still don't get it.

Twenty five years ago or so, a young friend was assaulted in the hall at school. A guy grabbed her breast. The principal and teacher told her to deal with it herself. I was at her house when she came home with the tale. We went to the school, got the yearbooks and identified the guy. I told the principal what the guy did was assault and if it ever happened agin, we would dealing with it ourselves by filing charges on him.

From what I have seen, not much has changed. Not many people learned about Lady Godiva. As the grandmother of boys I was happy to see their parents teach them early about keeping their hands to themselves. Stop blaming girls for being assaulted because of their appearance.

I am glad women can vote, get a mortgage without a male co-signer and get into school. No going back, please. If the girls are yelling, listen to them. Then they won't need to yell.
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Old 06-21-2017, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Every other developed nation in the world has made it work.
Exactly this. Even many developing nations that do not have the resources our country does make it work. I think it all depends on your values as a society. If you value people more, you find a way to make it work. If you value corporations and profit more, you say it is impossible.
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Old 06-21-2017, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Central Mexico and Central Florida
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I started my career in local government in 1973 when it was still the good ole boy network. Even though I had a college degree, I was required to take a typing test for any job that was available even though typing was not part of the job. Male applicants did not have to take a typing test.

When I started working, men were 90% of the staff. In fairness, a few of them helped mentor me in my career, but a lot of the men were condescending and dismissive of me and the few other women on staff. But I kept on working, never tattled on any of the men when I had legitimate complaints.

I made my way to the top. Mostly by expanding my knowledge of computers, which were new back in the early 80s for local government. I took night courses while the good ole boys played poker and drank after work. I never said no to an assignment, many of them were ones that the men did not want to handle.

By 1990 I was a Department Head of Tax Assessments that brought in over $100 million a year. I promoted and hired women, minorities, disabled, transgendered, elderly utilizing various programs to do so. When I retired in 2003, my staff was 60% women and the ethnic and racial complexion of the staff was far greater than the 100% white, which is what it was when I started my career in 1973.

I feel I paid my dues and expanded the role of women in the workforce.
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Old 06-21-2017, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Central Mexico and Central Florida
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The one aspect of feminism that bothered me was their position on abortion. I am pro-choice but I have no problem with reasonable restrictions on the age of the fetus, and I think that age should be reviewed as medical advancements are made which enable younger babies to survive outside the womb.

I met Eleanor Smeal and we had many friends in common when she was the head of NOW (my friends were on the board of NOW). Their approach was to always say yes to abortions, no matter the age of the fetus, up to and including the final month. I could not stomach that back then and cannot now.
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