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I especially enjoy when people cry about so many Muslims being in this country and how it never used to be this way. They obviously have no clue that a huge majority of African people brought to this country were Muslims who were forced to give up their religion.
Assimilation and unity to the European ideal you mean...
The same "assimilation and unity" we forced onto Native Americans and blacks that we kidnapped. Correct?
Assimilation to our identifying culture and language. Why do you have a problem with that? Why come here if you don't want to join our society in every way?
Oh, knock off the past and who's "we"? Those people are all dead now. Has nothing to do with those of us alive today.
Apache, Cherokee, Navajo, Sioux, Lenape, Cheyenne, Crow, Hopi, etc and so on and so forth weren't here before Europeans and Scandinavians set foot on this land?
They were only here 12,000 to 13,500 years before the first European and Scandinavian ever set foot here.
First does not make one native when they migrated here. It's debatable and irrelevant who was here first. Everyone had the right to migrate here when there were no immigration laws and a long ago primitive time.
Assimilation to our identifying culture and language. Why do you have a problem with that? Why come here if you don't want to join our society in every way?
Oh, knock off the past and who's "we"? Those people are all dead now. Has nothing to do with those of us alive today.
Ah, if only that were true. History doesn't occur in a vacuum and it certainly does have an effect on future generations.
I know quite a few Americans who've immigrated to Scandinavian and European countries. They have not assimilated in "every way." Such a fallacy wrought by people who've never experienced moving to another country or hell, talked to someone who has.
First does not make one native when they migrated here. It's debatable and irrelevant who was here first. Everyone had the right to migrate here when there were no immigration laws and a long ago primitive time.
Eh, it wasn't that long ago. Those people were here for thousands of years before the Scandinavians and Europeans came here. And its not even a question of immigrating. Its a question of completely taking over the land and the people. Which is exactly what those from across the ocean did to Native Americans. We Americans are the biggest hypocrites, I swear.
And you seem to be quite taken with the words of a dead man
Agree it's an odd rationale. & here's the whole quote from the link:
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“In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”
― Theodore Roosevelt
At the time this quote was made, folks were still intent on building memorials to the Confederate States of America, a failed, defunct, never recognized Country whose loyalists actively resisted assimilation, & were insistent upon retaining their divided allegiance.
The U.S. doesn't have European or Canadian style multiculturalism, so I'm not even sure why we are having this conversation. The closest thing we have to bureaucrat driven multi-culturalism is California. The US approach to integrating immigrants is fairly laissez-faire and more or less works due to a combination of a relatively open society, individual initiative, civic initiative, national character, the non-ethnic nature of our national identity, and the public education system. It's almost natural for immigrants or their children to integrate into American society, but I would say it's easier for immigrants to integrate in some regions (particularity the Northeast) over others. The draw to mainstream American culture and our national ideals is that strong.
Ah, if only that were true. History doesn't occur in a vacuum and it certainly does have an effect on future generations.
I know quite a few Americans who've immigrated to Scandinavian and European countries. They have not assimilated in "every way." Such a fallacy wrought by people who've never experienced moving to another country or hell, talked to someone who has.
Then those Americans are wrong not to do so. They should assimilate out in mainstream of the countries they chose to migrate to. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Can't help how the past has affected the future. We can't change it. The point is that those of us alive today had nothing to do with the past. Move on instead of playing victim today.
Eh, it wasn't that long ago. Those people were here for thousands of years before the Scandinavians and Europeans came here. And its not even a question of immigrating. Its a question of completely taking over the land and the people. Which is exactly what those from across the ocean did to Native Americans. We Americans are the biggest hypocrites, I swear.
Again who's "we"? Those people are all dead now. If you don't like our politics today then I suggest you move to another country of your choice. Throughout history lands and people have been conquered. It's not just something akin to America. By the way, what about those Spanish Conquistadores? Hmm.
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