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Old 07-28-2017, 05:30 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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I didn't say they were non-existent, I said VIRTUALLY non-existent. Growing up, no one around me had ever heard of autism. Auto-immune diseases were rare, as were the other ailments I listed. Unvaccinated children tend to be healthier than vaccinated children.

At the end of the day, parents should have the ability to choose what is done to their children. We live in a free country and should be free to do what we think is best for our own children. There is no doing something for the greater good, when the majority of the population isn't currently vaccinated against most of these normal childhood illnesses. Have you had an MMR vaccine lately? I don't know many adults that have.
Unvaccinated children are not healthier than vaccinated children. They get more vaccine preventable diseases and are no less likely to get chronic illnesses.

No one heard of autism when you were growing up because it went by other names, usually "mental retardation."

Most adults do not need an MMR booster because two doses of the vaccine protect most for life. Adults do need boosters for tetanus and diphtheria and at least one for pertussis.

You are totally free not to vaccinate. Just expect to not be able to send your child to public school if you do not.
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Old 07-28-2017, 05:45 PM
 
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Trump has boughtinto the anti Vax thing ...a little but not too much.

Conspiracy theories once again.
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Old 07-28-2017, 06:20 PM
 
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The birth dose of hepatitis B vaccine is not mandatory. It is given then because half the time when a child gets Hepatitis B no one knows where the virus came from. It could be from blood from a family member who does not know he is infected or from another child. The younger the person when he gets infected the less likely he will be able to clear the virus and the greater the risk it will cause liver cancer.

Hepatitis B can be transmitted by any sexual activity, not just anal sex.

Rotavirus killed some babies here in the US prior to the vaccine. It also caused a lot of hospitalizations.

Big Pharma would make more money treating the diseases that vaccines prevent than it does with the vaccines themselves.

Vaccines do not cause "auto-immune diseases, autism spectrum, cancers, speech delays, ADHD, learning disabilities and plenty of other ailments."

For the life of me, I cannot understand why having more vaccines to prevent more dangerous infections is a bad thing. A child can easily handle all the doses of vaccines he will ever get.
Except the children the die or become mentally damaged from vaccines. Just because you say that vaccines do not cause any of these ailments, does not make it true. Talk to the parents of children who have died or are severely damaged. Vaccines are far from natural. Why would there be a vaccine court for those that have been injured? Why has the vaccine court paid over 3 BILLION dollars to families. Not to mention the numerous families that were not given the chance to file a law suit.
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Old 07-28-2017, 06:24 PM
 
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Corporate science for profit, is the new religion of the left. ANY questioning of the doctrine makes you a heretic. You must obey the corporations.
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Old 07-28-2017, 06:49 PM
 
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Vaccines do not cause "auto-immune diseases, autism spectrum, cancers, speech delays, ADHD, learning disabilities and plenty of other ailments."

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And you believe that because the people making billions off these vaccines tell you that.
I am old enough to remember that wonderful "safe" drug thalidomide. FDA approved it. Companies swore it was safe. And it caused thousands of horrible birth defects.
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Old 07-28-2017, 06:56 PM
 
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Unvaccinated children are not healthier than vaccinated children. They get more vaccine preventable diseases and are no less likely to get chronic illnesses.

No one heard of autism when you were growing up because it went by other names, usually "mental retardation."

Most adults do not need an MMR booster because two doses of the vaccine protect most for life. Adults do need boosters for tetanus and diphtheria and at least one for pertussis.

You are totally free not to vaccinate. Just expect to not be able to send your child to public school if you do not.

Where in the world did you get that information? Look at the statistics, it was not mistakenly called mental retardation.

MMR does not last for more than 20 years, again it is easy to find this information.

Only 3 states do not allow you to attend public schools for not vaccinating. Most states have a religious exception, which if you are a Christian, you can opt out because you do not believe in using aborted babies for vaccines.
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Old 07-28-2017, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Why, it is true. Every vaccine has killed or injured someone. You never know who it will be.
The target virus/ disease/ malady disable/ kill many more.
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Old 07-28-2017, 07:21 PM
 
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The target virus/ disease/ malady disable/ kill many more.
It is a lottery. And if your child is the one who dies from the vaccine? are you willing to accept that?
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Old 07-28-2017, 08:55 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Except the children the die or become mentally damaged from vaccines. Just because you say that vaccines do not cause any of these ailments, does not make it true. Talk to the parents of children who have died or are severely damaged. Vaccines are far from natural. Why would there be a vaccine court for those that have been injured? Why has the vaccine court paid over 3 BILLION dollars to families. Not to mention the numerous families that were not given the chance to file a law suit.
Just because you say it happens does not make it true. Studies of children around the world have shown it is not true. Many parents believe their children have been harmed by vaccines when the only connection to the vaccine is that the administration of the vaccine preceded the child's illness. Many who claim vaccines caused autism have had home movies show that the child clearly had signs of autism before being vaccinated.

The risk of having an adverse reaction to a vaccine is tiny - one in a million or less. The risks from the diseases that vaccines prevent are much greater than that. One or two people out of a thousand who get measles will die from it and many more will have permanent disabilities.

The amount the vaccine court has paid out is high because awards are generous for claims that are approved.

https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/data/

"Since 1988, over 18,329 petitions have been filed with the VICP. Over that 29-year time period, 16,517
petitions have been adjudicated, with 5,555 of those determined to be compensable, while 10,962 were dismissed. Total compensation paid over the life of the program is approximately $3.7 billion."

That is 5,555 claims out of millions of doses of vaccines administered.

Vaccine court improves the chances that someone who has an adverse reaction will be financially compensated, because it is not necessary to prove that the adverse reaction was related to the vaccine, but only that it might have been. Also, attorneys are not paid out of the award.

Anyone who does not agree with the decision of the vaccine court can appeal it, potentially all the way to SCOTUS.

It is still possible to sue a vaccine maker if the vaccine is defective; however, vaccine reactions are not due to defective vaccines. If they were, everyone would have a reaction to them. They are due to an abnormal response by a very small number of people to the vaccine and that is not something that the vaccine maker can predict or should be held responsible for.

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Corporate science for profit, is the new religion of the left. ANY questioning of the doctrine makes you a heretic. You must obey the corporations.
Like it or not, the way we get medications, including vaccines, is through a profit oriented system. Would you prefer to be taxed to fund drug research and development? Would you like for Congress to determine what diseases that research is directed toward?

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And you believe that because the people making billions off these vaccines tell you that.
I am old enough to remember that wonderful "safe" drug thalidomide. FDA approved it. Companies swore it was safe. And it caused thousands of horrible birth defects.
Every vaccine saves money by preventing medical office visits, hospitalizations, and lost time from work for parents.

You misremember. Thanks to Dr. Frances Kelsey thalidomide was never approved by the FDA for use in the US.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/08/s...1.html?mcubz=2

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Where in the world did you get that information? Look at the statistics, it was not mistakenly called mental retardation.

MMR does not last for more than 20 years, again it is easy to find this information.

Only 3 states do not allow you to attend public schools for not vaccinating. Most states have a religious exception, which if you are a Christian, you can opt out because you do not believe in using aborted babies for vaccines.
Autism has always been with us. It was called mental retardation or "childhood schizophrenia" or kids were just thought to be weird. Many children with it were hidden at home or institutionalized. Now the criteria for diagnosing it have been liberalized in order for more children to qualify for services to help them.

No abortions are being done to make vaccines. For some, the virus used to make the vaccine is grown on cells from two abortions done decades ago. The abortions were not done to make the cell cultures, and new abortions are not being done to create more such cells. Even the Catholic Church has determined that the benefit of the use of those vaccines to protect the health of children outweighs the ethical concern about the source of the culture cells.

https://www.ncbcenter.org/resources/.../use-vaccines/

Routine MMR boosters for adults are not recommended.

The Shot Nurse MMR


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It is a lottery. And if your child is the one who dies from the vaccine? are you willing to accept that?
If your child is the one who dies from a vaccine preventable disease, are you willing to accept that?

During the past flu season there have been 103 deaths of children under age 18.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm

About three fourths of children who died from flu between 2010 and 2014 were not vaccinated.

Most Kids Who Died of Flu Weren't Vaccinated, Study Finds - NBC News
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Old 07-28-2017, 09:29 PM
 
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Thalidomide has been now approved by the FDA for leprosy and multiple myeloma. It is a Rems drug. That means you and your physician have to be enrolled in a special program to get the drug. The packaging has pictures of thalidomide babies.

The next big vaccine will probably not be in the U.S. as a regular vaccine. However, it will have one of the greatest impacts if they can pull it off. It goes by the trade name Mosquirix and it is for malaria. There will be a big pilot next year in several African countries. This will be its first real world experience. It is effective but it needs four doses.
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