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View Poll Results: Should a business be able to deny service to a customer if the request conflicts with the owner’s re
Yes 105 54.12%
No 80 41.24%
Not sure 9 4.64%
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Old 08-07-2017, 07:58 PM
 
Location: London
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Yes. They're free to be moronic business owners.

 
Old 08-07-2017, 08:58 PM
 
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Originally Posted by HappyRider View Post
In theory that's correct because they can always go elsewhere. But what if everybody gangs up on them and they can't get what they want anywhere? Like buying a house.
You could also think of it this way... Our plane crashes on an island and it's just you and me (or it could be 10 people, or whatever, but lets keep it simple). You decide to gather supplies and build a little shelter, and I do something else like finding food. Later on I decide that I want a shelter too, so I try to force you to build a shelter, or let me use yours, or I even offer to trade you some of my food. Do you have the right to say no, or are you obligated to provide me with shelter?

Let's say you didn't like me because I have blue eyes and told me no, please leave me alone and build your own shelter. I think I would be the one at fault if I threatened you (which is what laws are) into providing that service for me, even if I think your reasons are stupid or hateful.

Even if there are more people involved, nothing changes just because one group outnumbers the other. If the other 8 people side with me, it's still wrong to force you to serve me just because I want something you have.
 
Old 08-07-2017, 09:01 PM
 
Location: Land of Thought and Flow
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WOW...a leftist bringing race into the equation.... who woulda thunk it...
Proooobably has more to do with the hypothetically being based on historical facts.

Anyone who would intentionally use their religion to harm others are terrible people.
 
Old 08-07-2017, 09:03 PM
 
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If you do not own the fruits of your labor you are a slave.

There is no middle ground. It's as simple as that.

You can deny service/products to anyone you want for any reason.
Pretty much this right here.

Except for essential services, any business should be able to deny service for any reason, even racism.
 
Old 08-07-2017, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Is a business truly public though?

It's conventionally understood that if I opened a business it would be my private property, as I invested my own money into it.
But you are serving the public. Is it fair that others in your community are able to derive services from a business but you can't just because you have a different lifestyle?

Using the baker as an example; let's assume that it's a small town and he's the only baker in town. The gay couple is now faced with the prospect of not having a wedding cake. Straight couples in the community have no issue getting a cake but the gay couple have to go out of there way to get the same thing. I just don't think that's fair.

Now if the gay couple were to ask for something that would be considered offensive on the cake then I would say the business owner has the right to refuse that but not the basic service of providing the cake.
 
Old 08-07-2017, 09:12 PM
 
Location: Houston
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WOW...a leftist bringing race into the equation.... who woulda thunk it...
It's a valid question. Quit deflecting and answer it.
 
Old 08-07-2017, 09:13 PM
 
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But you are serving the public. Is it fair that others in your community are able to derive services from a business but you can't just because you have a different lifestyle?

Using the baker as an example; let's assume that it's a small town and he's the only baker in town. The gay couple is now faced with the prospect of not having a wedding cake. Straight couples in the community have no issue getting a cake but the gay couple have to go out of there way to get the same thing. I just don't think that's fair.

Now if the gay couple were to ask for something that would be considered offensive on the cake then I would say the business owner has the right to refuse that but not the basic service of providing the cake.
No cake, so?

Sorry, but that's not real harm.

Only doctor in town? Totally different story.
 
Old 08-07-2017, 09:15 PM
 
Location: One of the 13 original colonies.
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A business owner should be able to refuse service to anyone he/she chooses. It is his business and money .
 
Old 08-07-2017, 09:16 PM
 
Location: Houston
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No cake, so?

Sorry, but that's not real harm.

Only doctor in town? Totally different story.
Yes it is most certainly real harm. Equal protection.

Why not the doctor? Why is he different?
 
Old 08-07-2017, 09:18 PM
 
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A business owner should be able to refuse service to anyone he/she chooses. It is his business and money .
I understand the sentiment, but when it comes to essential services, where real harm can be done by inaction, I have to disagree. An example would be an ambulance service.
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