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What a sad state the US is presently in when the large numbers of people defend the KKK, white supremacists, and neo-Nazis. Donald Trump and his followers are taking the country to the lowest depths of humanity.
That isn't happening at all. It is a purposeful lie to demonize the right, and Trump. It is just more disgusting deception, and propaganda. Stop lying please. It does us no good as a country.
This is becoming surreal. Are we supposed to treat men carrying Nazi flags and torches through the streets shouting things like "Jews will not replace us" and signs saying "Whites are the Master Race" as if it's normal and accepted?
Watching Trump frantically defend them - his own daughter is Jewish. This country is taking a very dark turn.
Im sure if they were chanting "kill all white people" and "what do we want? dead cops, when do we want them? NOW" the media would have rathered re run a episode of nightline from 1974
I guess juries are not as smart as you sitting behind a computer somewhere visiting Hate sites.
That's a personal attack. You've been reported. You have no evidence whatsoever that I "visit hate sites." You're just angry and frustrated that both I and the DA have made the objective observation that the car driver's actions were NOT premeditated. AND, in fact, there's clear evidence that after having already been attacked from behind, he accelerated forward to avoid further attacks.
Timeline for those who are finding the media accounts confusing.
Though they did not have a permit or even bother to notify the police, on Friday night "about 250 mostly young white males, many wearing khaki pants and white polo shirts," gathered for clearly well-organized march with torches.
"A group of about 30 U-Va. students — students of color and white students — had locked arms around the base of the statue to face down the hundreds of torchbearers. The marchers circled the statue." ...
"Within moments, there was chaos. Shoves. Punches. Both groups sprayed chemical irritants. Many marchers threw their torches toward the statue and the students."
"The rally on Saturday was scheduled to go from noon to 5 p.m., but by 8 a.m., the park was already beginning to fill. Rallygoers arrived in contingents, waving nationalist banners and chanting slogans. Many carried shields and clubs. A large number also carried pistols or long guns."
"another force arrived. Dressed in full camouflage and outfitted with semiautomatic rifles and pistols, three dozen members of a self-styled militia..."
"Charlottesville Police Chief Al S. Thomas Jr. said the rallygoers went back on a plan that would have kept them separated from the counterprotesters. Instead of coming in at one entrance, he said, they came in from all sides. Headlong into the counter protesters."
"A few minutes before 11 a.m., a swelling group of white nationalists carrying large shields and long wooden clubs approached the park on Market Street. About two dozen counterprotesters formed a line across the street, blocking their path. With a roar, the marchers charged through the line, swinging sticks, punching and spraying chemicals."
So to summarize, Friday night, 250 Unite the Right folks, many in khaki pants, white golf shirts and carrying torches, held a well-organized but illegal march and attacked 30 U-VA students. The ambulances arrive. The police appear to have been caught flat-footed here.
Saturday, instead of entering the park at noon from the entrance that had been agreed on (so that the police could provide a barrier between them and the counter-protestors on the other side), the Unite the Right folks came in from every direction, armed to the teeth, with shields, clubs, pistols, long guns ...
Then three dozen self-styled militia types show up with semiautomatic rifles and pistols.
Be 11 am, the police are breaking up brawls left and right and the rally doesn't even start until noon.
Thanks for this post, clears up the timeline nicely.
There are NO LARGE NUMBERS of people defending the KKK or Nazis here or in the country
Name even one poster here who defends the KKK or Nazis?
Saying that the counter protesters were also violent is not defending the KKK.
This is the level of stupidity and falsifying information just to create anger and division that both parties have to stop perpetuating.
These people are just full of hate for America. It is a major problem in society when one hates themselves, and their country. It is sick.
Because murder one involves premeditation, prior planning.
At the point, there is no evidence of premeditation. The are undoubtedly combing the emails right now.
As soon as they find one in which he says he's going to drive his car through the crowd, have at it.
Until then, the video and still frame evidence shows that his car was attacked from behind, damaged, and he subsequently accelerated forward to evade further attack.
Simple question-had the Charlottesville rally, held legally and with an issued permit-been allowed to happen with out the intervention of violent counter-protesters such as Antifa and BLM, would the rally have turned violent?
I mean, it's possible. Look at all the leftist demonstrations where property is destroyed, businesses looted, neighborhoods burned, highways and emergency services blocked. All when no counter-protesters showed up. So you can't say it isn't possible that the white supremacists would have turned to the same tactics. The question is-is it likely that it would have happened? Is there history in the recent past (say the last 10 years) of such things happening by such groups? Honestly-I don't know-I don't follow the acts of these ignorant a-hats. And is it likely that innocent people, with nothing to do with the protest that happened to be at the wrong place, would have been dragged out of their cars and beaten, simply due to their race? These thing did happened at BLM protests.
So, thoughts. Without counter-protesters would this particular group of ignorant racists have gotten as violent as left-wing protesters?
Don't pose that as a hypothetical question, because it WAS allowed.
The counter protesters were not proactively violent, they defended themselves.
They protested, but did not attempt to stop the rally.
BOTH sides had a legal right to be there, but only one side (the Alt-Right) were the aggressors, and only one side left their permitted protesting boundries, causing the mayhem.
The question you might ask yourself, if you are really desparate to spread blame, is "would the counterprotesters had become violent or aggressive, if given the chance.
Because murder one involves premeditation, prior planning.
At the point, there is no evidence of premeditation. The are undoubtedly combing the emails right now.
We must recall that 'premeditation' does not have a 'time limit', or that a perpetrator must have spent a certain amount of time 'planning' the murder or mayhem before carrying it out.
It is, of course, a 'case by case' basis. A person's premeditation may only require a minute or two (which is often the case when the person was an 'opportunist', and took advantage of an evolving situation to act out). I like this phrase from one court decision:
"It is said that the deliberation and premeditation may be as instantaneous as successive thoughts of the mind.”
It is opposed to the so-called 'crime of passion', such as the entrance of a husband into his bedroom, seeing his wife with another man, and instantly pulling out his weapon and killing the man.
A very stirring defense of a Nazi who used ISIS tactics to kill/injure Americans.
Too bad that's not what the video and still frame evidence shows. The video and still frame evidence shows that his car was attacked from behind, damaged, and he subsequently accelerated forward to evade further attack.
Lesson to the left... If you don't want to scare a driver into accelerating into a crowd, don't physically attack his car with weapons.
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