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Old 09-13-2017, 10:42 AM
 
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Our species is not going to survive by doubling the population every half a century, something no one here wants to address, but is the reality we are facing right now.

Forcing people to bring every unwanted/unplanned pregnancy to term is absurd given the unchecked exponential population explosion that the planet is already probably not going to be able to sustain in the near future. But let's just continue to ignore that...
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Old 09-13-2017, 10:45 AM
 
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Our species is not going to survive by doubling the population every half a century, something no one here wants to address, but is the reality we are facing right now.




Truth!
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Old 09-13-2017, 10:53 AM
 
Location: London
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Post-capitalist? What about pre-capitalist?

It really doesn't take as much money as people think to raise children. Poor people raise children all the time. In fact, the poorer you are, the more children you will likely have. And if the prices of real-estate weren't being artificially driven-up, and if people weren't being pushed into the cities because of government policies, then the cost would be a fraction of what it is today.


Not long ago, it was actually a benefit for most people to have children(IE farmers).

What do you think the Amish are doing?
Children cost at least $250,000 per child to raise (in today's dollars) to raise up to 18 according to most stats I've seen. And that doesn't even count unusual health issues, private school, or college tuition.

Oh sure, the Amish can manage it in a frugal way, but most people in the modern world do not have that kind of lifestyle where they could be frugal to that extreme.
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Old 09-13-2017, 11:06 AM
 
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Children cost at least $250,000 per child to raise (in today's dollars) to raise up to 18 according to most stats I've seen. And that doesn't even count unusual health issues, private school, or college tuition.

Oh sure, the Amish can manage it in a frugal way, but most people in the modern world do not have that kind of lifestyle where they could be frugal to that extreme.


Americans have to have the biggest best of everything and of course two new cars in the driveway.
Gods forbid that their child has special needs then it's doubled or tripled.
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Old 09-13-2017, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Dessert
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There's a great movie, "Idiocracy," that posits a future where intelligent, thinking people cut down on the number of children they had, but folks with lower intelligence kept breeding like bunnies. This dumbed down the population to a horrifying (and funny) extent.
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Old 09-13-2017, 01:08 PM
 
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There's a great movie, "Idiocracy," that posits a future where intelligent, thinking people cut down on the number of children they had, but folks with lower intelligence kept breeding like bunnies. This dumbed down the population to a horrifying (and funny) extent.
I thought it was a documentary about Trump
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Old 09-13-2017, 01:13 PM
 
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I thought it was a documentary about Trump
One of the people Trump wanted for his Cabinet was actually being paid by Carls Jr just like the Cabinet member in Idiocracy. It seems like Trump uses Idiocracy as a user guide on how to be President. Nobody can watch the trial scene and not draw a lot of parallels to Trump's idiotic cult members.
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Old 09-13-2017, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Children cost at least $250,000 per child to raise (in today's dollars) to raise up to 18 according to most stats I've seen. And that doesn't even count unusual health issues, private school, or college tuition.

Oh sure, the Amish can manage it in a frugal way, but most people in the modern world do not have that kind of lifestyle where they could be frugal to that extreme.

You are completely missing the point. It only costs that much to raise children, because of the choices we make. If we are looking at only the bare-necessities, it doesn't come anywhere close to $250,000 per child.


Look at it like this, on average the government spends about $11,000 a year for each child in a public school. And in some states, it is twice as much. But how much does it cost to educate a child? How much would it cost you to educate your child at home?


The vast-majority of money spent on raising children, is completely unnecessary. And most parents don't spend anywhere close to $250,000 on their children by age 18(that is almost $14k per year, per child. Which would be about $35,000 for the average 2.5 child family household?). The average isn't the median.


It simply doesn't, or at least it shouldn't cost much to raise children(and if you live on a farm, it could be a net benefit). The problem seems to be the result of our expectations. Obviously children in the past were raised in much less comfortable conditions. They didn't have cell phones. And so what? Were they less healthy? Were they less happy?


And what of those Amish children? Are they less happy than your kids?

Why Amish Kids are Happier than Yours | Time.com


Don't believe everything you hear. Learn to think for yourself.
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Old 09-13-2017, 08:50 PM
 
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It's an excellent post. You should read it.
Actually, it was a pretty dumb post. Clearly not well thought out and biased. There are a few good pro-abortion arguments. This was not one of them. It basically comes down to personal responsibility. I'm pro-choice - choose not to get pregnant. Unless you live under a rock, you know where babies come from. If you don't want a baby, don't do that. How friggin' stupid do you have to be to not understand that? The vast majority of abortions are simply for convenience.

Listen carefully. Breath. Focus. Ready?

Sex may result in babies. Don't want a baby? Don't have sex. Got it?
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Old 09-13-2017, 08:57 PM
 
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Children cost at least $250,000 per child to raise (in today's dollars)
Bullsh*t. My sister raised for daughters (quite well, actually) on a fraction of that amount.

Of the 4, 3 have masters degrees. One is a lawyer. Stop propagating alarmist nonsense.
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