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Let's say, for a moment, you are a member of an involuntary state. And that you are hellbent on confiscating my property.
I've never seen this happen, and thus, have zero reason to expect it. Therefore, the risk of its occurrence is so low that buying a firearm would be an admission of psychosis. I would be of unsound mental capacity to believe that such a threat existed and required the acquisition of a gun.
It would also be nearly stupid beyond measure to assume that by possessing a firearm would in any way change the course of the battle that would occur between several armed members of an involuntary state.
But let us assume, for a moment, that I am a statist and you, the involuntary statist militia hellbent on confiscating my many Tom of Finland paintings. You just want to sell them, it's for someone else, I'm sure.
I would make one phone call, and your ass would be institutionalized for five months before you even saw a lawyer.
Here is something you, and by extension every other person with your particular gun fantasy, should consider: Why is it that you have the guns, and yet I have to do very little in comparison?
More to the point, to whom do you believe I placed the call?
Hint: It wasn't to the police.
You've never seen it happen? Taxes are confiscation of private property at gunpoint. I mean...you can rationalize it all you want but they are.
I have no idea what the other aspects of this diatribe are related to.
A man buys something. Armed agents of a group he never agreed to do business with (the government) show up at this door and demand he turn it over to them.
In other words, armed agents of an involuntary state-- whatever the hell that means-- are not going to knock on my door and confiscate my property.
They're not? Are you sure? Because the very subject of this very thread is about armed agents of a state (involuntary or otherwise) knocking on people's doors and confiscating their property.
You've never seen it happen? Taxes are confiscation of private property at gunpoint. I mean...you can rationalize it all you want but they are.
I have no idea what the other aspects of this diatribe are related to.
A man buys something. Armed agents of a group he never agreed to do business with (the government) show up at this door and demand he turn it over to them.
That's all this is about. Plain and simple.
So the deeply impoverished citizens of the U.S. Virgin Islands should hang onto firearms not because of looters post-Hurricane, but because... government?
You do know that by definition, poverty means not having a lot to take, right?
In this theoretical world you've constructed, the transaction doesn't occur because the man is from the U.S. Virgin Islands and does not have the money to buy anything in the first place.
So the deeply impoverished citizens of the U.S. Virgin Islands should hang onto firearms not because of looters post-Hurricane, but because... government?
If an involuntary party shows up at your door, armed, and demands your personal property they are not in the right? You can dance all you want but that is what it boils down to.
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Originally Posted by coldwine
You do know that by definition, poverty means not having a lot to take, right?
So it's OK to steal from the poor because they won't miss it?
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Originally Posted by coldwine
In this theoretical world you've constructed, the transaction doesn't occur because the man is from the U.S. Virgin Islands and does not have the money to buy anything in the first place.
Do you understand that?
It's not theoretical, it's reality. Your world is constructed based on a fictional social contract.
Confiscation of the fruits of your labor at gunpoint is theft and slavery.
I think all of you gun nuts should head on down to the Virgin Islands right away and fight for your rights! There are boats leaving from Miami for all you freedom fighters. Don't delay! They need you down there packing your heat and open carry and cash and carry and carry and conceal! And be sure to sport your cammo pants, boots, MAGA ball caps, and vests with all the little pins of freedom. Go right now! Hurry!
If a Hurricane hits the murder rate will skyrocket and the small police force wouldn't be able to handle the fact that a large percent of the youth even on the small island it is are crooks. The place is small but they need to be able to confiscate criminals weapons too, I personally wonder how the criminals get their weapons on such a small island and I guess it is by stealing from law abiding citizens.
So now the only ones left with firearms are the criminals and Law Enforcement / Military. Sounds good...
I lived for several years in Brazil, and that didn't even happen when the man who owned the skyscraper I lived in was a genuine drug lord. And I mean he was the real deal, as in, "they already have lots of very dangerous weaponry".
My apartment was broken into a few times in Paris, but the thing about break-ins is that the real criminals involved will make no move if they even suspect someone is home.
I still do not own a single gun, nor will I ever. What an absurd notion to entertain. I don't know what first world suburban delusions you have allowed to fester, but if I seriously believed armed agents were going to break into my home at any moment (they aren't), I wouldn't buy guns.
That is what an idiot would do. That is the action only someone completely ignorant to the ways of power and influence would take.
In other words, armed agents of an involuntary state-- whatever the hell that means-- are not going to knock on my door and confiscate my property. The Yakuza aren't casing my joint.
I do not need a gun to tell you with absolute certainty that armed agents are not going to have the power to confiscate my property. Keep your little guns if they give you the illusion of control against a frightening delusion.
While we are tossing around the term idiot. You obviously know nothing about America. Most of the guns people own here are also used for hunting or target shooting and as a by product, self defense and home defense. It is much more easy to kill a deer with a gun than a knife.
It's true, Rush was right! Irma is a liberal conspiracy!
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