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Old 09-05-2017, 11:26 PM
 
Location: Gone
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During Katrina the police were unable to obtain a warrant to search homes and remove weapons. Instead they sent the National Guard in and not needing a warrant did search and seize weapons of home owners. This left the citizens unable to protect their property from looters.

If you look into it venture to say you will see a similar action in Texas. Watch what the feds do during Irma.

So much for a free country.
Actually nothing of the sort happened here in Texas and many people were carrying firearms while assisting others to deter looting, and funny thing there was little looting.


Only a sheep would give up their firearms during a crisis it is the time one needs them the most. Fortunately I live in a Free State where the people do not hope to exercise their rights they Demand it.
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Old 09-06-2017, 03:18 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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We need rules and regulations to keep guns out of the hands of those with certified mental illnesses and others who can't handle the responsibility that comes with owning guns.
What you mean "we", Kimosabe?

It has long been the law of the land in the United States (though apparently not in the USVI), that we do NOT need such rules and regulations. In fact the Constitution forbids any such.

Why do you suppose that is?

The Framers were mostly learned men, often scholars who studied other governments going far back into history before their time. And after long and thorough examinations, they decided that the country would be far better off if NO regulations or restrictions on guns and other such weapons existed. Even if it meant an occasional whack job (they existed in George Washington's time just as they do now) getting his hands on a gun.

The Framers were grimly aware that governments themselves did far more harm to their countries if they had even the slightest authority to regulate guns and otherwise prevent law-abiding citizens from defending themselves, and the occasionaly whack job who got a gun. Even a dozen dead in a restaurant or an office building, though horrible, was far less harmful than a government free to abuse and oppress its people.

And that is the reason why no govt in the U.S. is allowed to make any laws restricting or taking away the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

It's one of the more-violated passages in the Constitution. But that doesn't change what it says. And courts that try to pretend it says something else, also don't change what it says.

Making a law preventing mental patients etc. from getting a gun, is flatly unconstitutional. For the reasons I just gave.

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Old 09-06-2017, 04:23 PM
 
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What you mean "we", Kimosabe?

It has long been the law of the land in the United States (though apparently not in the USVI), that we do NOT need such rules and regulations. In fact the Constitution forbids any such.

Why do you suppose that is?

The Framers were mostly learned men, often scholars who studied other governments going far back into history before their time. And after long and thorough examinations, they decided that the country would be far better off if NO regulations or restrictions on guns and other such weapons existed. Even if it meant an occasional whack job (they existed in George Washington's time just as they do now) getting his hands on a gun.

The Framers were grimly aware that governments themselves did far more harm to their countries if they had even the slightest authority to regulate guns and otherwise prevent law-abiding citizens from defending themselves, and the occasionaly whack job who got a gun. Even a dozen dead in a restaurant or an office building, though horrible, was far less harmful than a government free to abuse and oppress its people.

And that is the reason why no govt in the U.S. is allowed to make any laws restricting or taking away the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

It's one of the more-violated passages in the Constitution. But that doesn't change what it says. And courts that try to pretend it says something else, also don't change what it says.

Making a law preventing mental patients etc. from getting a gun, is flatly unconstitutional. For the reasons I just gave.
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Old 09-06-2017, 04:26 PM
 
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Checking, I see that registration of all firearms is required in the VI. Coincidence? OK, anti-gunners - make your case that registration is *not* a prelude to confiscation.

This just solidifies the reasons for those living in free states under the US Constitution to never register our weapons.
Here is a more salient question:

Just what the hell are you going to do with a gun in a hurricane? Because if the answer isn't "blow your own brains out rather than drown to death", you're kidding yourself.
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Old 09-06-2017, 04:34 PM
 
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Here is a more salient question:

Just what the hell are you going to do with a gun in a hurricane? Because if the answer isn't "blow your own brains out rather than drown to death", you're kidding yourself.
...because using it to defend oneself and family CAN'T POSSIBLY be a valid option.
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Old 09-06-2017, 04:40 PM
 
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Here is a more salient question:

Just what the hell are you going to do with a gun in a hurricane? Because if the answer isn't "blow your own brains out rather than drown to death", you're kidding yourself.
And AFTER the Emergency, hugs are great unless that someone is not into hugs and just wants whatever you got, better make it something good or something permanent. Do You Love your Family? What would you do to protect them? Don't answer me, answer Yourself
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Old 09-06-2017, 04:41 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Here is a more salient question:

Just what the hell are you going to do with a gun in a hurricane? Because if the answer isn't "blow your own brains out rather than drown to death", you're kidding yourself.
Well, once the storm is over it's not unheard of to have individuals go "scavenging" in houses and stores which they think may be empty. Especially since all the government agencies, such as police, are overwhelmed.
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Old 09-06-2017, 05:01 PM
 
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...because using it to defend oneself and family CAN'T POSSIBLY be a valid option.
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And AFTER the Emergency, hugs are great unless that someone is not into hugs and just wants whatever you got, better make it something good or something permanent. Do You Love your Family? What would you do to protect them? Don't answer me, answer Yourself
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Well, once the storm is over it's not unheard of to have individuals go "scavenging" in houses and stores which they think may be empty. Especially since all the government agencies, such as police, are overwhelmed.
The Virgin Islands has a population of 106,000. Spread over multiple islands.

The largest city in the Virgin Islands has a whopping 19,000 people, which is... not even one square block of the neighborhood I'm sitting in.

The only reason we are considering the Virgin Islands right now is because of its use to our military, which has a substantial presence there.

So before you go all 2nd Amendment Armchair Lawyer on me, cool it. The only people with anything to steal are in resorts, and their valuables are back on the mainland.
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Old 09-06-2017, 05:55 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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The Virgin Islands has a population of 106,000. Spread over multiple islands.

The largest city in the Virgin Islands has a whopping 19,000 people, which is... not even one square block of the neighborhood I'm sitting in.

The only reason we are considering the Virgin Islands right now is because of its use to our military, which has a substantial presence there.

So before you go all 2nd Amendment Armchair Lawyer on me, cool it. The only people with anything to steal are in resorts, and their valuables are back on the mainland.
What a ridiculous response.
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Old 09-06-2017, 06:01 PM
 
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Now there's a staff meeting I'd love to watch:

"Ok, so we're going to need you to go and tell heavily armed individuals that they need to turn over their guns and ammo. If they raise a ruckus, tell them they live in a territory, so they don't have full constitutional rights. Also, there are a lot more of them than you, but don't worry too much about that."
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