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Old 09-15-2017, 01:51 PM
 
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lol, it is really ridiculous.

Arguing semantics, meanwhile the city had to basically shut down to prevent SOME leftist anarchists from burning the damn place down.
Although not all libs support violence, you know there are MANY who silently cheer it on and say "good." That's why they never condemn it.
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Old 09-15-2017, 01:54 PM
 
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Then why- pray tell- are so many Leftists bent out of shape about him giving a, a, a, a ... SPEECH?

Why is it a big deal? Why cannot they not ignore him? Perhaps watch a soap opera on TV instead?

If you came around and gave a speech, I would simply ignore it.

Works for me.
Hey look, I'm not going to argue that. On the left, we do have a free speech problem, a problem whose origin in my opinion is on college campuses. As a liberal, I acknowledge that's definitely one of the flaws we have in our side of the aisle, at least culturally.

Though my exposure has been limited, Ben Shapiro, from what I can tell, is a very smart guy and a great debater, so I can see why a lot of young liberals on these college campuses, with their little "safe spaces", find him threatening. But they need to get over that. Berkeley hosting him I think is something that needs to happen. Of all places college campuses should be where people can have a free exchange of ideas.

However, this notion that he's being smeared by the left as a white supremacist is a false narrative.
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Old 09-15-2017, 02:00 PM
 
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Shapiro is fine, I dont know what people see in him. I cant listen to him just because anytime anyone asks him about Trump he deflects to what the powers of the executive should be and how is not really important, then when is asked about things the right does he dismisses it as an overreaction to the left.
The one thing I do give him credit for he correctly called out parts of the right for trolling, meaning they are in danger of not implementing their agenda just to **** the other side off, which works for me.
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Old 09-15-2017, 02:00 PM
 
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Hey look, I'm not going to argue that. On the left, we do have a free speech problem, a problem whose origin in my opinion is on college campuses. As a liberal, I acknowledge that's definitely one of the flaws we have in our side of the aisle, at least culturally.

Though my exposure has been limited, Ben Shapiro, from what I can tell, is a very smart guy and a great debater, so I can see why a lot of young liberals on these college campuses, with their little "safe spaces", find him threatening. But they need to get over that. Berkeley hosting him I think is something that needs to happen. Of all places college campuses should be where people can have a free exchange of ideas.

However, this notion that he's being smeared by the left as a white supremacist is a false narrative.
You must be over 40. Liberals who hold your view of free speech are few and far between among the under 40 crowd.

It is an absolute travesty what is happening on college campuses in America these days. I wouldn't be who I am today without my college experience of having bright, rational liberals around who I learned a lot from. The discussions I had with my liberals friends, who I would lay down my life for to this day, were some of the most important and formative events in my life. I am sure they learned something from me, too.

Thanks for your post and defending the importance of having free speech.
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Old 09-15-2017, 02:03 PM
 
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Can someone name any actual white supremacist things he said or did?
Every once in a while there comes along some political/socialist mentality that is flawed and is not a representative of true conservativism, or liberalism. The example that comes to mind is McCarthyism, which was ultra-right conservatism in the early 1950s. There is now a ultra-liberal example that includes attacking the free speech that goes counter to their narrative. Instead of fearing communists, this movement hates conservative ideas, such as limited immigration. The movement will probable come to an end anyway, either abruptly, like McCarthyism, or more gradually. But conservatives can do something else instead of attacking persons who worry about such things as the environment, or health care initiatives, and calling them "lib-tards" and that is to actually presenting real cases, like Ben Shapiro having to fight for the right to express his views on a college campus; i.e. free speech. Real liberals will get it and those fascists who riot because they dislike someone's views will be outnumbered 500-1, and the movement will end. But ignorantly opposing and name-calling all persons with traditional liberal views is not the answer.
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Old 09-15-2017, 02:05 PM
 
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Every once in a while there comes along some political/socialist mentality that is flawed and is not a representative of true conservativism, or liberalism. The example that comes to mind is McCarthyism, which was ultra-right conservatism in the early 1950s. There is now a ultra-liberal example that includes attacking the free speech that goes counter to their narrative. Instead of fearing communists, this movement hates conservative ideas, such as limited immigration. The movement will probable come to an end anyway, either abruptly, like McCarthyism, or more gradually. But what conservatives can do instead of attacking persons who worry about such things as the environment, or health care initiatives, and calling them "lib-tards" is actually presenting real cases, like Ben Shapiro having to fight for the right to express his views on a college campus; i.e. free speech. Real liberals will get it and those who riot because they dislike someone's views will be outnumbered 50-1, and the movement will end. But ignorantly opposing and name-calling all persons with traditional liberal views is not the answer.
The liberals who run academia need to put an end to it.
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Old 09-15-2017, 02:10 PM
 
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The liberals who run academia need to put an end to it.
I've explained what needs to be avoided if you are like me and want free speech to flourish, and it is not name-calling but rather making good cases for the value of free speech, all free speech.
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Old 09-15-2017, 02:10 PM
 
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You must be over 40. Liberals who hold your view of free speech are few and far between among the under 40 crowd.

It is an absolute travesty what is happening on college campuses in America these days. I wouldn't be who I am today without my college experience of having bright, rational liberals around who I learned a lot from. The discussions I had with my liberals friends, who I would lay down my life for to this day, were some of the most important and formative events in my life. I am sure they learned something from me, too.

Thanks for your post and defending the importance of having free speech.
I'm actually just under 30, but I take that as a compliment! Well, I recognize that it was starting with my generation that protecting people's feelings became so important that it resulted in shutting down (or perhaps shutting out to be more accurate) ideas that people don't want to hear. Hell, people at my alma mater complained when DAVID BROOKS spoke at our commencement....David Brooks! Probably about as centrist a conservative as you can get.

My hope is that the next generation, the kids in high school now, rebel against this, bring in some anti-PC swagger and put an end to this overly sensitive "I'm not listening" anti free speech garbage.

I generally lean left on most issues, but I'm deeply disappointed with some of our cultural problems. The political correctness, the "safe spaces", our moral relativism with other cultures...Antifa might even be what you'd call the extreme outgrowth of safe spaces. "We're not just going to shut you out and cover our ears, we're now going to shut you up!" Smh...discourse is the way to go.
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Old 09-15-2017, 02:11 PM
 
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Hey look, I'm not going to argue that. On the left, we do have a free speech problem, a problem whose origin in my opinion is on college campuses. As a liberal, I acknowledge that's definitely one of the flaws we have in our side of the aisle, at least culturally.

Though my exposure has been limited, Ben Shapiro, from what I can tell, is a very smart guy and a great debater, so I can see why a lot of young liberals on these college campuses, with their little "safe spaces", find him threatening. But they need to get over that. Berkeley hosting him I think is something that needs to happen. Of all places college campuses should be where people can have a free exchange of ideas.

However, this notion that he's being smeared by the left as a white supremacist is a false narrative.
I like seeing other like-minded liberals like you on here who can think for themselves. Very awesome and cool. I agree with this 100%.
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Old 09-15-2017, 02:11 PM
 
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Thread should be

Why are SOME people smearing Ben Shapiro as a white supremacist?

LOL

Answer: Because they don't watch him on regular basis.
Correction: Because they don't watch him AT ALL. In fact, those people NEVER watched even one minute of his show/talk/speech.
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