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Old 09-25-2017, 03:35 PM
 
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This was the 2nd year of substantial increases. Not proof positive of a long-term trend, but why would anyone think the increases in areas that generated most of the national rise won't continue.
Why would you assume it's a trend just on two data points?

And what is the proposed mechanism for this change in crime rate? Why would you assume it will go up?

 
Old 09-25-2017, 03:45 PM
 
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We have prisons, we have a justice system. We lock people up for their crimes. We have the highest prison population in the world. The USA executes more people than any other developed nation on the planet, and much more than any other developed nation. And somehow, this doesn't seem to phase violent criminals. Look at Louisiana, #1 in the nation for murder, and it has the death penalty.
 
Old 09-25-2017, 03:51 PM
 
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Prob start by ending the war on drugs. Do you support it?
Well, I can say that the war on drugs hasn't really stopped the drug problems. And many people commit murder not over drug money or gang turf, but revenge. Revenge is a big part of the murder problem in the USA.

Rape, you have to understand this. Rape is not just about getting sex. It is assault of a sexual nature. It is about control over someone else via sexual violence.
 
Old 09-25-2017, 03:54 PM
 
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Death by cop is up over this time period from last year too.
 
Old 09-25-2017, 03:55 PM
 
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Well, I can say that the war on drugs hasn't really stopped the drug problems. And many people commit murder not over drug money or gang turf, but revenge. Revenge is a big part of the murder problem in the USA.

Rape, you have to understand this. Rape is not just about getting sex. It is assault of a sexual nature. It is about control over someone else via sexual violence.
So in your opinion the drug war is a non-issue?
 
Old 09-25-2017, 04:04 PM
 
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2 data points is not a trend, either. It's literally just a line. To assess a change in slope in any direction, you need more data.

That isn't to say you should ignore changes in crime rate from year to year, but taking a look at data with an N of 1 or 2 is not how you do it.

What is the overall context of this data compared to all historical data? We're are still, for instance, WAY below where we were with crime in previous decades. You take notice of year-to-year changes, but it's always important to evaluate the context of that data. Don't lose sight of the forest for the trees.

Oh we're down still below our historical highs from back in the 90's. It is interesting to note that the murder rate is highest in cities with increased BLM presence, and that many of the increased number of victims are blacks killed by other blacks.
 
Old 09-25-2017, 04:08 PM
 
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So in your opinion the drug war is a non-issue?
No. I'm saying the drug war is just one part of the problem. A big part, but just one part of it.
 
Old 09-25-2017, 04:18 PM
 
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https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...ables/table-21

Some takeaways for african americans, who account for around 13% of the population, but accounted for the following percentages of all arrests. Previous percentages are from 2015.

Murder arrests went up from 51.1% to 52.6%
Rape arrests went up from 28.2% to 29.1%
Aggravated Assault arrests went up from 32.1% to 33.3%
Robbery arrests went up from 53.5% to 54.5%
Violent Crime arrests went up from 36.4% to 37.5%

In fact, there wasn't a single category in which african americans were not over-represented. At which point will the black community accept responsibility for these numbers?

It's been like this for decades. The fact that blacks are overrepresented means blacks aren't getting away with anything, with overlap onto to innocent blacks. There are lots of other factors that you don't want to get into, trust me. But yeah, get white crime rates down to zero across the board then you can lecture others.
 
Old 09-25-2017, 05:05 PM
 
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It's been like this for decades. The fact that blacks are overrepresented means blacks aren't getting away with anything, with overlap onto to innocent blacks. There are lots of other factors that you don't want to get into, trust me. But yeah, get white crime rates down to zero across the board then you can lecture others.
True. In my opinion, I think some people bring up statistics about Black crime as a justification for their disdain for Blacks. No one can deny the statistics. However, the reason for bringing them up is what makes the difference.
 
Old 09-25-2017, 07:25 PM
 
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Prob start by ending the war on drugs. Do you support it?
I absolutely support ending the war on drugs. But do you really think that'll lower the violent crime and murder rates among blacks in this country?
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