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Old 10-02-2017, 06:27 PM
 
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Cars are essential to modern society. As are trucks, planes, and fertilizer. This is self evident after about 5 seconds worth of minimal thought.


Semi auto rifles, on the other hand, are merely toys for big boys .
Not toys and not just boys.
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Old 10-02-2017, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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And we're back to arguing about gun control.

Doesn't any liberal find it just a touch insane that you support and encourage groups who walk around chanting "f@$k the police" and "death to pigs," engage in identity politics that actively encourage violence, and support the removal of any sort of moral framework from society but then claim that people would be less violent if you outlawed guns?

Because to anyone who isn't a liberal, it sure sounds like insanity.
Outstanding!
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Old 10-02-2017, 06:32 PM
 
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Not the same thing at all.

Legal immigrants aren't a problem. Steal one and it's kidnapping You can tackle illegal immigration separately.

Legal gun owners for the most part are fine....it's the fact that they own something a criminal wants and gets, that is the problem.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...firearm-survey

That's a lot of guns over the years.
You seem to be reasonable. You recognize criminals are the problem not the legal gun owners. Why don’t we focus on the problem - criminals? I am all for the gun control laws focusing on the criminals.
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Old 10-02-2017, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Alaska
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Let me make this simple:

Unless you are a trained law enforcement officer or member of the military on duty, you do not have a right or need to possess an assault weapon.

No, the fact you want one is not and quite frankly, never was a good enough reason to have one.

The paranoid madness needs to stop.

There are hundreds of rifles on the market and available for the average person to own for protection, hunting, sport-shooting, or whatever but weapons of war (weapons whose only purpose is to facilitate the quick and efficient killing of large numbers of people).

If you need to quickly kill large numbers of people, then you have made some very bad life decisions or you need to reevaluate some of the activities you're engaging in.

If I offend you, I don't care because I'm telling the truth.

I care about your feelings as much as you care about who gets killed and wounded because of the vast proliferation of assault rifles in our society.

As much as you may think to the contrary, your 2nd amendment rights are not, and never were absolute (no rights are).

Government regulation is the true and acceptable price of freedom.
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Old 10-02-2017, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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You seem to be reasonable. You recognize criminals are the problem not the legal gun owners. Why don’t we focus on the problem - criminals? I am all for the gun control laws focusing on the criminals.
We already have tons of gun control laws that limit their use, and make any kind of violence using a gun illegal. Yes, let's focus on the criminal, and enforce the already tough gun laws.
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Old 10-02-2017, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Honolulu
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Given the proliferation of guns, legal and illegal, it is futile to implement any more gun laws that aim to help curb gun violence.

Many posters pick Chicago which has the toughest gun law and also one of the most violent cities as an example. Of course, strict gun law does not work there. Unless police put up checkpoint at every interstate on the City perimeter, otherwise all guns would still come into the City.

How to abolish gun violence? Take Hawaii as an example. It is the State with the lowest gun death rate. How can it be achieved? IMO:

(1) Remote and Isolated -- it is almost 2,500 miles from any land mass. Everything has to be shipped in via ship or plane. It is well nigh impossible to ship in illegal arms in large quantity to the islands.

(2) Very strict gun law -- No concealed weapon. No way you can buy guns in Walmart. Every gun owner registered in FBI database (the only state required).

(3) Very Liberal State -- strong anti-gun sentiment among voters.

(4) NRA has negligible influence -- When the police destroyed excessive guns and NRA protested that such action violated 2nd amendment, nobody gave a damn about what NRA said.

That is why so many people chose to live in Hawaii -- safety.
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Old 10-02-2017, 06:41 PM
 
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We already have tons of gun control laws that limit their use, and make any kind of violence using a gun illegal. Yes, let's focus on the criminal, and enforce the already tough gun laws.
I respectfully disagree. The currently gun laws mostly focus on the law abiding citizens not the criminals. They are often unenforced.

Obama himself released multiple gun criminals.
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Old 10-02-2017, 06:44 PM
 
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Given the proliferation of guns, legal and illegal, it is futile to implement any more gun laws that aim to help curb gun violence.

Many posters pick Chicago which has the toughest gun law and also one of the most violent cities as an example. Of course, strict gun law does not work there. Unless police put up checkpoint at every interstate on the City perimeter, otherwise all guns would still come into the City.

How to abolish gun violence? Take Hawaii as an example. It is the State with the lowest gun death rate. How can it be achieved? IMO:

(1) Remote and Isolated -- it is almost 5,000 miles from any land mass. Everything has to be shipped in via ship or plane. It is well nigh impossible to ship in illegal arms in large quantity to the islands.

(2) Very strict gun law -- No concealed weapon. No way you can buy guns in Walmart. Every gun owner registered in FBI database (the only state required).

(3) Very Liberal State -- strong anti-gun sentiment among voters.

(4) NRA has negligible influence -- When the police destroyed excessive guns and NRA protested that such action violated 2nd amendment, nobody gave a damn about what NRA said.

That is why so many people chose to live in Hawaii -- safety.
Black population is only 1.8% there. In Chicago, 32%.
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Old 10-02-2017, 06:45 PM
 
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The ridiculously huge exception is an individual is not capable of murdering 59 and wounding 515 people with any of those objects,
19 men armed with box cutters killed thousands. The attacker in Nice, France killed 68 armed with a rental truck.....

Assuming you could perform the impossible task of getting firearms out of the hands of people like this there is about 6 million other choices they could make if they want to kill a lot of people. All of these incidents are planned over weeks, months or even years. If some nut wants to kill a lot of people they are going to kill a lot of people.
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Old 10-02-2017, 06:46 PM
 
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Not toys and not just boys.

True, women enjoy them also, but yes, they are toys for the big kids.
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