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Bushmaster . I'll see if I can find the link. The gun manufacturers realized the problem with this type of marketing, no matter how productive it had been, after they were mocked with pictures of Adam Lanza.
What newspaper, or magazine, did that ad circulate in? Or was it solely on their website?
The marketing for firearms is nothing like the marketing for viagra or ford or some new cure it all pill or even close to sporting events...
Only advertisement I've ever seen in circulation like I said before, was from a bass pro shops flyer. Not on a bill board. Not in a news paper, nor in a magazine...
If bushmaster was looking for manly men wouldn't they have advertised that ad in HotRod magazine, or let's go with the stereotype, Truckin' magazine?
I don't recall seeing advertisement for firearms in any newspaper or magazines I read...
Nor do I remember ever seeing televised commercials whether primetime or day time...
If the ad existed on their website page, how exactly is it considered advertisement?
Come on folks, you got to be quite ridiculous to say you need an assault rifle or any military style weapon for protection. Now for me calling people this is probably going to turn a lot of people off who might be willing to listen, but I'm calling a spade a spade. If a robber came into your home in the middle of the night, a simple hand gun or hunting rifle should be more than enough to handle the job. You don't need a semi automatic to take a dude or dudette who probably don't have a weapon (a gun) themselves, out. It's crazy to think you need a highly powered rifle, just to stop one robber, or even more than one. Chances are extremely likely if you fire one shot, if the robber is still alive, they will flee. If you need a gun that fires rapidly just to ward off a robber, you are just a bad shot. You need to go back to the range.
The truth is if a robber did break into a gun owner's home, one who did own many guns including high powered rifles, the owner would pick a handgun from their cache or a similar easy to handle weapon to handle the situation. They wouldn't hop out of bed and reach for their AR-15, with the bump stock attached. If they did that, they are putting more than the robber's life at risk.
The media and people who argue for these military weapons slay me when they say they need it for protection. Yet the most foolish of idiotic claims as to why people need these weapons, is the original argument behind the second amendment. The right to bear arms for the militia, to fight in the event we have a tyrannical government. Come on folks, get real. That idea was formed back in the day, when the government had pretty much the same weapons a militia would have. In fact, the militias were among the strongest fighting forces during the revolutionary war. You won't be able to fight against a tyrannical American military today with your assault rifles. Again, get real. Assuming Trump went fool and had full control over every aspect of the military, he could do whatever the frick he wanted to do. Do you have B-52 bombers in your back yard to fight against Trump? Do you have laser guided drones you bought at a gun show? Do you have naval ships, jets, stealth aircrafts, and the latest technology we don't even know about to take down Trump's army? HECK NO YOU DON"T!!!!!!!!!!! Stop being so ridiculous, it's insulting to anyone with a grain of intelligence. If Trump wanted to take away our guns right now, he has the military to do it. (Fox News always talk about communist countries taking away people's guns. As if they did it democratically)
Ultimately what I'm saying is, there is no reason citizens should have military style weapons. You don't need them to protect yourselves against robbers. When you look at the mass shooters, they were all citizens with no criminal history. They got their guns legally, or if they were high schoolers, got their guns from their parents cache. It's a stupid argument to say bad guys (which is code speak for gang activity or drug cartels) get their hands on these guns, and that's why we need them. That's why you have the military geniuses. If gangs got that out of control in using illegal machine guns, the military arm will shut them down in a snap. In fact, if they wanted to, they could shut down all that potential activity right now. The military and the government arm are you protectors against that, not you Rambo! Also as I stated before, if you're worried about a tyrannical government, you stand no chance against that. So again, there's no good reason for citizens to have military weapons. Whether it's semi-automatic or automatic.
You make many good points but like the general public that has little knowledge of firearms (and there's nothing wrong with that), you have a couple of misconceptions.
I support common sense regulations. There should be a background check for every transaction and I would outlaw the use of deadly force to protect property. Anyone killing someone for stealing their tv or car should spend a long time in jail thinking about it and you couldn't pay me to join the NRA.
Far too many gun owners ignore the, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State..." first part of the 2nd Amendment. Their claim that gun owners could stop our government from taking out rioters or revolutionaries or that we can't regulate or restrict automatic or weapons of mass destruction, are both as laughable as their claim that Trump isn't a lying sack of ignorance.
I also believe bump stocks should have never been made legal and should be outlawed or regulated like fully auto weapons. But you need to keep in mind that while these mass shooting are reported for weeks on end, handguns are responsible for the vast majority of deaths and are rarely reported in the news. And your use of the terms, "assault rifle", highly powered rifle" and "military weapons" is a little uninformed.
Unless they're equipped with a bump-stock, AR's and similar semi-autos based on a 'military design' just look scary but are no more "military", "highly powered" or assaulty" than any other semi auto rifle that have been perfectly legal in every state since they were invented. Hikers and hunters in the back country are and should be allowed to own and practice with high powered rifles and handguns for bear protection, so keeping them at the gun range isn't really practical. And once you allow that, you allow it for everyone.
The argument that the number of guns should be regulated doesn't seem logical to me. You can only fire one gun at a time, so how does that help exactly? Making magazines that hold more than ten rounds illegal, is much more effective and probably easier to make into law.
The bottom line is that guns will never be outlawed and the Republican, 'chicken little' argument that the Dems are coming to take all their guns away, is just more of their destructive divisive politics...
What newspaper, or magazine, did that ad circulate in? Or was it solely on their website?
The marketing for firearms is nothing like the marketing for viagra or ford or some new cure it all pill or even close to sporting events...
Only advertisement I've ever seen in circulation like I said before, was from a bass pro shops flyer. Not on a bill board. Not in a news paper, nor in a magazine...
If bushmaster was looking for manly men wouldn't they have advertised that ad in HotRod magazine, or let's go with the stereotype, Truckin' magazine?
I don't recall seeing advertisement for firearms in any newspaper or magazines I read...
Nor do I remember ever seeing televised commercials whether primetime or day time...
If the ad existed on their website page, how exactly is it considered advertisement?
It was their ad. It doesn't matter what all media they used to get it out.
Then there is the admission of this gun shop owner.
Gun dealers like Clark Brothers Gun Shop say someone comes in to buy one of these rifles almost every single day they're open.
"We've got guys that come here on their 18th birthday and buy an AR-15 — the first gun they ever bought," says Mitch May, who has been the general manager at Clark Brothers since 1962. "Just because it's a gun that the military uses, and they want to have one just like it, but they don't want to join the Army to get it."
Backpeddling? Hardly son. The only thing I have suggested is that acquiring large numbers of AR15 clones might be a tipoff to mental instability. Don't go getting dishonest and attributing things to me I didn't say. Stick with the facts, and leave your invented nonsense aside.
Im not sure what kind of logic your last sentence is supposed to contain, since I am the one asking if it would raise any red flags for you guys to see a neighbor hoarding large numbers of these guns. Do you even think about what you post before hitting the submit button? If not, now would be a good time to start.
Ok it's only AR15s that you personally have a beef with.
Neighbors having large quantities of a certain firearm? Well beings that open display/carry of a weapon is a crime unless at an outdoor range, how exactly would I know what my neighbors have? Some manufacturers of ARs include a blow molded lockable case. Some a cardboard box. So your question is of a subjective premise. How would I know exactly what they're carrying in unless I stopped them and asked?
That and to single out only 1 weapon?
Your logic is flawed... you blame only the implement not the person behind it or the people who were near him... I'm a person of personal responsibility, if I hear something such as a threat, of course I'm alerting authorities. If I lived with someone who was screaming in their sleep every night or every other night, I'd be asking those in the know is this normal or not...
I dealt with someone close to me with a mental illness and got them locked up in the looney bin not to be the hero but out of concern for their safety, my safety, and others safety they interacted with daily...
By all means go ahead and tell me that someone who is close to a maniac is somehow not bearing any responsibility for reporting it...
Did you see that scumbags brother? He's 2 fries short of a happy meal himself
Their father was a fugitive bank robber...
Apples tend not to fall far from the tree...
That is why I am under the impression this person's motive was to spark up new controversy... why have that many AR15s, the rifle the media loves to hate, to carry out this disgusting attack? It doesn't make any sense to me why someone would even do something like this... but raises a question. Why the AR? Especially before voting on pro gun legislation? Unless he was really that FUBAR in the head to want to do that?
I believe his motive was one to send a statement and cause more divide as there is no rational conversation to be had over it. Just jump on the implement used and call for more banning restriction and law that only harms law abiding gun owners who use the AR platform in 3 gun challenges, target practice, and hog hunting...
Gun dealers like Clark Brothers Gun Shop say someone comes in to buy one of these rifles almost every single day they're open.
"We've got guys that come here on their 18th birthday and buy an AR-15 — the first gun they ever bought," says Mitch May, who has been the general manager at Clark Brothers since 1962. "Just because it's a gun that the military uses, and they want to have one just like it, but they don't want to join the Army to get it."
Well you spouted viagra and the AR 15 in the same sentence did you not? As being a male enhancer?
Yet viagra is circulating ads on TV, in news papers in magazines and billboards...
So which is it...
Bushmaster circulated an ad on TV in newspapers, in magazines, to generate more sales with the premise of man card to generate sales...
Or
I'm going to insert phallic references between a "medication" and firearm that I don't like in the hopes of being witty and make a point of advertising sells based on a compensation for something premise...
And you're telling me to think posts out before clicking submit...
Ok it's only AR15s that you personally have a beef with.
Neighbors having large quantities of a certain firearm? Well beings that open display/carry of a weapon is a crime unless at an outdoor range, how exactly would I know what my neighbors have? Some manufacturers of ARs include a blow molded lockable case. Some a cardboard box. So your question is of a subjective premise. How would I know exactly what they're carrying in unless I stopped them and asked?
That and to single out only 1 weapon?
Your logic is flawed... you blame only the implement not the person behind it or the people who were near him... I'm a person of personal responsibility, if I hear something such as a threat, of course I'm alerting authorities. If I lived with someone who was screaming in their sleep every night or every other night, I'd be asking those in the know is this normal or not...
I dealt with someone close to me with a mental illness and got them locked up in the looney bin not to be the hero but out of concern for their safety, my safety, and others safety they interacted with daily...
By all means go ahead and tell me that someone who is close to a maniac is somehow not bearing any responsibility for reporting it...
Did you see that scumbags brother? He's 2 fries short of a happy meal himself
Their father was a fugitive bank robber...
Apples tend not to fall far from the tree...
That is why I am under the impression this person's motive was to spark up new controversy... why have that many AR15s, the rifle the media loves to hate, to carry out this disgusting attack? It doesn't make any sense to me why someone would even do something like this... but raises a question. Why the AR? Especially before voting on pro gun legislation? Unless he was really that FUBAR in the head to want to do that?
I believe his motive was one to send a statement and cause more divide as there is no rational conversation to be had over it. Just jump on the implement used and call for more banning restriction and law that only harms law abiding gun owners who use the AR platform in 3 gun challenges, target practice, and hog hunting...
Im not asking you to know how many AR15's your neighbor has. The question was rhetorical to get an understanding if there was any point at which you would admit that somebody amassing large amounts of these rifles would be a red flag. The way we would know is by keeping the data from background checks, or implementing gun registration, so that each purchase would be tracked, and the total amount known, along with increasing purchases in the present . Now, scream about how your rights are being violated by the government knowing what guns you are buying. But when you do, quit pretending you are for trying to deal with the mental illness side of this equation. You and yours are not. You will fight any attempt to do anything to control it on the basis that anything at all might be the slippery slope that leads you to having nothing but a BB gun as home defense.
As for the rest, you can try and find some loony reason all you want. Pretend its all a plot of liberals to take your guns away if that's how you need to deal with it. That would be about par for the mindset .
"Hes not a loon, he's an agent of the liberal left and a secret black op agent who gave his life to the liberal cause of taking all the patriotic conservatives guns away".
Yeah, sure.
And you are right. There is no rational conversation to be had with folks that think it is acceptable for kids and innocent adults to die in order to maintain their right to shoot cans at the range and hunt hogs. I realized this after Newton. Every discussion here further proves this to me. Heck, it has taken you how many posts to realize that I am talking about AR15s, even though I have been clearly saying this? And others here have still not grasped this simple fact, because the immediate knee jerk reaction from your side is to simply start screaming "GUN GRABBER!GUN GRABBER! at each and every attempt to have some rational discussion about loons shooting up public places and killing innocent people.
The Vegas shooter is a creation of the gun nut set. They have created the conditions for loons like this to operate in with total and absolute impunity.
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Im not asking you to know how many AR15's your neighbor has. The question was rhetorical to get an understanding if there was any point at which you would admit that somebody amassing large amounts of these rifles would be a red flag. The way we would know is by keeping the data from background checks, or implementing gun registration, so that each purchase would be tracked, and the total amount known, along with increasing purchases in the present . Now, scream about how your rights are being violated by the government knowing what guns you are buying. But when you do, quit pretending you are for trying to deal with the mental illness side of this equation. You and yours are not. You will fight any attempt to do anything to control it on the basis that anything at all might be the slippery slope that leads you to having nothing but a BB gun as home defense.
As for the rest, you can try and find some loony reason all you want. Pretend its all a plot of liberals to take your guns away if that's how you need to deal with it. That would be about par for the mindset .
"Hes not a loon, he's an agent of the liberal left and a secret black op agent who gave his life to the liberal cause of taking all the patriotic conservatives guns away".
Yeah, sure.
And you are right. There is no rational conversation to be had with folks that think it is acceptable for kids and innocent adults to die in order to maintain their right to shoot cans at the range and hunt hogs. I realized this after Newton. Every discussion here further proves this to me. Heck, it has taken you how many posts to realize that I am talking about AR15s, even though I have been clearly saying this? And others here have still not grasped this simple fact, because the immediate knee jerk reaction from your side is to simply start screaming "GUN GRABBER!GUN GRABBER! at each and every attempt to have some rational discussion about loons shooting up public places and killing innocent people.
The Vegas shooter is a creation of the gun nut set. They have created the conditions for loons like this to operate in with total and absolute impunity.
No. You're making an irrational emotional grasp for a false equivalency looking for a connection between the implement and the character who used it.
It's clear as day, following the premise of your argument. Vehement only towards the AR, how many ARs were purchased and your feeble logic of If someone owns multiple of the AR varient, they are a homicidal loon.
That's you're argument. That's not projection or assumption.
What would you make of someone who owns 20 1911 pistols? Made by various manufacturers? Normal because they're not widely used? Or mentally deranged for having an obsession?
Your argument welcomes the feeble and emotionally weak to join for you rationalize and live with fear.
I'd also like to point out another flaw in your statement. Every weapon purchased from a retailer needs to have a background check done and a registry already exists when you fill out a 4473... whether that retailer is a local gun store, or a booth at a gun show.
It hasn't taken me this long to figure it out. I'm making it crystal clear that your argument and rationalization of it is severely flawed.
Nowhere did I say this was a liberal black ops deal. Nowhere. Nice try though.
Mighty big coincidence this happened before the HPA and 50 state reciprocity bills were to be voted on isn't it?
No. You're making an irrational emotional grasp for a false equivalency looking for a connection between the implement and the character who used it.
It's clear as day, following the premise of your argument. Vehement only towards the AR, how many ARs were purchased and your feeble logic of If someone owns multiple of the AR varient, they are a homicidal loon.
That's you're argument. That's not projection or assumption.
What would you make of someone who owns 20 1911 pistols? Made by various manufacturers? Normal because they're not widely used? Or mentally deranged for having an obsession?
Your argument welcomes the feeble and emotionally weak to join for you rationalize and live with fear.
I'd also like to point out another flaw in your statement. Every weapon purchased from a retailer needs to have a background check done and a registry already exists when you fill out a 4473... whether that retailer is a local gun store, or a booth at a gun show.
It hasn't taken me this long to figure it out. I'm making it crystal clear that your argument and rationalization of it is severely flawed.
Nowhere did I say this was a liberal black ops deal. Nowhere. Nice try though.
Mighty big coincidence this happened before the HPA and 50 state reciprocity bills were to be voted on isn't it?
Its really too bad you cant stand to be honest in your arguments. It simply shows that you cant debate based on truth and fact alone. Nowhere do I state that everyone owning multiple AR15s is a loon. I even make it clear, for those with the ability to read, think, and process info correctly ( and that's the tricky part with CD types ) that I would set the red flag number at 4. When I went to school, 4 was considered a multiple number. I haven't even stated that every owner of 10 or more is a homicidal maniac. I have simply stated that perhaps there is some number at which we should be looking into mass volume purchases of these by one guy. Horrors!, I know. The very idea that we should possibly be concerned about a person buying 30 AR15s in a year!
And I will say it again as long as you continue to make the ridiculous statement that those who don't like people being able to commit these mass shootings are feeble and scared. THEY are not the ones loading their homes up with guns to fight off imaginary hordes of Hells Angels breaking down their door. YOU guys are. YOU guys are the ones living in fear, and your proclamations otherwise are worthless, as actions speak louder than words ( perhaps you've heard that before). Get real and quit acting like the guys loading up their homes with guns to deal with the boogiemen of their imagination are the brave ones, while those who live their lives without the need to create home arsenals are somehow afraid. The concept is patently ridiculous, and which ones are afraid of life in general is shown by the actions of those who feel the need to turn their homes into arsenals to deal with normal life.
I once borrowed a shotgun from a friend so I could take another friend hunting with me , as I only own 2, and 1 is an "antique" that my granddad owned, so I don't hunt with it. Single shot besides that. After my hunting trip was over, the friend was very concerned about getting his gun back ASAP. He admitted that "the corner" he kept the gun propped up in , in the hall leading from his front door, felt "empty" and he needed to get the gun back to its "home" to feel comfortable. It turns out he has guns stuck in corners all around his house so he can retreat from a frontal assault, and have fresh guns to grab and fire at the Mongols breaking down his door.
Yeah, he lives a much less fearful life than me . I live now in a big city after most of my life being in a rural farming community. I have friends that wont come here without guns on them. My wife and I, on the other hand, walk around the downtown area at night going to restaurants and such. Who then are the scaredy cats, the ones afraid to come here without guns on them, or the ones who live here and go where they please, exhibiting normal caution, without fear? Get real!
As far as the database, there is none that collects data from all states into one database. That was the flaw with the Vegas shooter. He bought weapons in multiple states, more often than he could have done in one state alone with the waiting period between purchases. A database that showed all purchases in every state would have caught his pattern.
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wouldn't they have advertised that ad in HotRod magazine, or let's go with the stereotype, Truckin' magazine? 
Yet the most foolish of idiotic claims as to why people need these weapons, is the original argument behind the second amendment. The right to bear arms for the militia, to fight in the event we have a tyrannical government. Come on folks, get real. That idea was formed back in the day, when the government had pretty much the same weapons a militia would have. In fact, the militias were among the strongest fighting forces during the revolutionary war. You won't be able to fight against a tyrannical American military today with your assault rifles. Again, get real. Assuming Trump went fool and had full control over every aspect of the military, he could do whatever the frick he wanted to do. Do you have B-52 bombers in your back yard to fight against Trump? Do you have laser guided drones you bought at a gun show? Do you have naval ships, jets, stealth aircrafts, and the latest technology we don't even know about to take down Trump's army? HECK NO YOU DON"T!!!!!!!!!!! Stop being so ridiculous, it's insulting to anyone with a grain of intelligence. If Trump wanted to take away our guns right now, he has the military to do it. (Fox News always talk about communist countries taking away people's guns. As if they did it democratically)
