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Old 10-14-2017, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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I actually remember a time when an American funding our enemies, whose leaders stated goal was the destruction of American and the genocide of Jewish people, would have been labeled a traitor. Those days seem to be past.
I don’t recall Reagan being labeled a traitor when he transferred arms to Iran.
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Old 10-14-2017, 02:53 PM
 
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So what if we didn't have the deal, where would we be??
Let's see...

Iran would still have a functional heavy water reactor for plutonium production, be running an additional 15,000 or so enrichment turbines and have a solid stockpile of 20% enriched uranium - in fact, they would have been free to enrich it even further.

Much better, yes?
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Old 10-14-2017, 02:56 PM
 
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I don’t recall Reagan being labeled a traitor when he transferred arms to Iran.
Oh, but that wasn't him. Other people did it. People he trusted. And those people - like Oliver North - were certainly treated like traitors.

Well, OK, so he was given a presidential pardon and a show on Fox. In other words, treated like a Republican traitor.
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Old 10-14-2017, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Let's see...

Iran would still have a functional heavy water reactor for plutonium production, be running an additional 15,000 or so enrichment turbines and have a solid stockpile of 20% enriched uranium - in fact, they would have been free to enrich it even further.

Much better, yes?
Well in other words they would look like North Korea today.
It will be up to the GOP they didn’t like the deal last year, let’s hear their alternative. So far they have been short on solutions to anything.
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Old 10-14-2017, 03:59 PM
 
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I actually remember a time when an American funding our enemies, whose leaders stated goal was the destruction of American and the genocide of Jewish people, would have been labeled a traitor. Those days seem to be past.
Ummm...it was THEIR money!

If I take your money and decide to give it back to you, am I FUNDING you?

Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh!
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Old 10-14-2017, 04:40 PM
 
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They have to stop.
All-out trade war with Europe over Iran? You people have gone completely, utterly insane.
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Old 10-14-2017, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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All-out trade war with Europe over Iran? You people have gone completely, utterly insane.
If Europe wants to trade with Iran after they violate the agreements (and they will) they will be able to stop or continue. They've already seen the consequences of immigration, no go zones in many European cities and more. So be it.

Donald is all in and it's America 1st. Finally.
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Old 10-14-2017, 05:41 PM
 
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If Europe wants to trade with Iran after they violate the agreements (and they will) they will be able to stop or continue. They've already seen the consequences of immigration, no go zones in many European cities and more. So be it.

Donald is all in and it's America 1st. Finally.
Lol...amazing. You guys still believe that Iran doesn’t hold all the cards in this game.

This deal is it,..it’s all we’ve got. Sanctions won’t stop Iran. Hell, they hope Trump drops the agreement.

Why don’t you guys just come out and admit that you want a war with Iran. You guys say everything BUT that little factoid.
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Old 10-14-2017, 06:03 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Does it really matter if the US is not in the treaty considering Iran got their money back in actual cash wrapped up on big pallets and delivered to them in the middle of the night.
It was their money to begin with. The U.S. just froze it here. And then kept it for the next 30-some years.

Was it right for the Nazis to keep all the gold they stole from the countries they conquered? No.

The United States was in the forefront of seeing that the gold went back to where it came from. Because it was the honorable and right thing to do.

Releasing their frozen assets was exactly the same. It was a point of treaty negotiation, and one that cost us nothing, as we could not do anything with those assets. Cash was only part of them, too.

Most of it was in stocks, bonds, and other Iranian investments made in U.S. enterprise in the 70s and earlier, before the revolution in Iran that overthrew the Shaw. Investments that made in good faith, just as Americans invest in Swiss enterprise, or any other foreign investment. When we invest our money abroad, it is still our money. We can take it back or leave it to grow as we choose at any time.

Allowing those investments to be unfrozen was both good and honorable for us, and was a big help in creating a treaty that made the entire middle east safer and less volatile for years to come. Anything that helps the region's peace is good. Anything that increases the fear and tension is bad.

So Trump jumped the wrong way once more. The Iranians will probably live up to their end of the treaty, because all the other nations have not pissed backwards on it like Trump did, but our action could justify them breaking the treaty.

And if Iran went back into developing nuclear warhead production, who do you think would be first in line to buy such weaponry?

Just how much of that threat is worth keeping the Iranian money?

Don't be so foolish as our President. You are smarter than he is. You know what's stupid or not, even if he doesn't.
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Old 10-14-2017, 06:07 PM
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The United States has been dropping bombs and sending troops into a lot of Middle East countries. Why is it that Iran our nemesis, arch enemy, axis of evil, for 38 years is the one we don't mess with. Something is wrong here.
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