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Old 10-25-2017, 01:35 PM
 
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the leftist you was responding to wont agree with this because they are hypocrites!
Depends on a number of things, if making the comparator a relevant one:

There were an indigenous or significant number of people living there prior that had already selected a name for the place.

The people living there had no objection to a foreign entity re-naming their "place".

These decisions were put before the people of the "place" in question for their input.

In the case of the Denali mountain, that was it's name derived by the local indigenous people and later settlers long before a gov't decree in 1917 changed it's name to honour an assassinated President.

In the case of the Denali mountain, the people of Alaska had been lobbying for decades to have the name returned to it's original name.

In the case of the Denali mountain the people of Alaska must have objected to the renaming by a remote decree because they NEVER referred to it themselves as Mount McKinley.

The people of Alaska finally found a receptive audience in the form of President Obama and again lobbied for it's reversion to it's historical name and were ultimately granted that accommodation.

Now given those facts and the present issue of some "idiot" tweeting the fallacious meme Obama unilaterally decided, due to his ego, to force the renaming, is it still, your contention the hypocrisy is emanating from the left in this case?
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Old 10-25-2017, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Self explanatory
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Depends on a number of things, if making the comparator a relevant one:

There were an indigenous or significant number of people living there prior that had already selected a name for the place.

The people living there had no objection to a foreign entity re-naming their "place".

These decisions were put before the people of the "place" in question for their input.

In the case of the Denali mountain, that was it's name derived by the local indigenous people and later settlers long before a gov't decree in 1917 changed it's name to honour an assassinated President.

In the case of the Denali mountain, the people of Alaska had been lobbying for decades to have the name returned to it's original name.

In the case of the Denali mountain the people of Alaska must have objected to the renaming by a remote decree because they NEVER referred to it themselves as Mount McKinley.

The people of Alaska finally found a receptive audience in the form of President Obama and again lobbied for it's reversion to it's historical name and were ultimately granted that accommodation.

Now given those facts and the present issue of some "idiot" tweeting the fallacious meme Obama unilaterally decided, due to his ego, to force the renaming, is it still, your contention the hypocrisy is emanating from the left in this case?
Well said.
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Old 10-25-2017, 01:56 PM
 
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Depends on a number of things, if making the comparator a relevant one:

There were an indigenous or significant number of people living there prior that had already selected a name for the place.

The people living there had no objection to a foreign entity re-naming their "place".

These decisions were put before the people of the "place" in question for their input.

In the case of the Denali mountain, that was it's name derived by the local indigenous people and later settlers long before a gov't decree in 1917 changed it's name to honour an assassinated President.

In the case of the Denali mountain, the people of Alaska had been lobbying for decades to have the name returned to it's original name.

In the case of the Denali mountain the people of Alaska must have objected to the renaming by a remote decree because they NEVER referred to it themselves as Mount McKinley.

The people of Alaska finally found a receptive audience in the form of President Obama and again lobbied for it's reversion to it's historical name and were ultimately granted that accommodation.

Now given those facts and the present issue of some "idiot" tweeting the fallacious meme Obama unilaterally decided, due to his ego, to force the renaming, is it still, your contention the hypocrisy is emanating from the left in this case?
Brilliant, Kitten.
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Old 10-25-2017, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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if tRump really cared about McKinley or Ohio, he'd find a way to punish Buffalo for the shooting of McKinley
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Old 10-25-2017, 02:20 PM
 
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Depends on a number of things, if making the comparator a relevant one:

There were an indigenous or significant number of people living there prior that had already selected a name for the place.

The people living there had no objection to a foreign entity re-naming their "place".

These decisions were put before the people of the "place" in question for their input.

In the case of the Denali mountain, that was it's name derived by the local indigenous people and later settlers long before a gov't decree in 1917 changed it's name to honour an assassinated President.

In the case of the Denali mountain, the people of Alaska had been lobbying for decades to have the name returned to it's original name.

In the case of the Denali mountain the people of Alaska must have objected to the renaming by a remote decree because they NEVER referred to it themselves as Mount McKinley.

The people of Alaska finally found a receptive audience in the form of President Obama and again lobbied for it's reversion to it's historical name and were ultimately granted that accommodation.

Now given those facts and the present issue of some "idiot" tweeting the fallacious meme Obama unilaterally decided, due to his ego, to force the renaming, is it still, your contention the hypocrisy is emanating from the left in this case?
Ouch. That's going to leave a mark.
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Old 10-25-2017, 02:29 PM
 
Location: In the reddest part of the bluest state
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Lol, I see the RWNJs have quit the field on this thread. Even their pretzel logic can't make it work.
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Old 10-25-2017, 03:09 PM
 
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Lol, I see the RWNJs have quit the field on this thread. Even their pretzel logic can't make it work.
Speaking of - remember when Sarah Palin (whatever happened to her, anyway?) got on her soapbox about how naming the mountain Denali was a horrible idea, only to be confronted with her own speeches where she called it Denali?
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Old 10-25-2017, 03:27 PM
 
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Speaking of - remember when Sarah Palin (whatever happened to her, anyway?) got on her soapbox about how naming the mountain Denali was a horrible idea, only to be confronted with her own speeches where she called it Denali?
Gee, wouldn't her behaviour be legitimately characterized as hypocritical?
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Old 10-25-2017, 03:34 PM
 
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More proof that Trump is obsessed with Obama instead of focusing on his own job as president.
This thread is more proof that many of those who supported Obama are koolaid drinkers, and anything Obama did was being presidential, and anything Trump is undoing, is not presidential.

So, if we were to use your thought process on this subject, we could say Obama as president had no business getting involved with renaming mountains or changing who is on our money, and should have been focusing on running the country.

Yet when Trump moves to undo the frivolous things Obama & Co did, he is not focused.
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Old 10-25-2017, 03:35 PM
 
Location: In the reddest part of the bluest state
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Speaking of - remember when Sarah Palin (whatever happened to her, anyway?) got on her soapbox about how naming the mountain Denali was a horrible idea, only to be confronted with her own speeches where she called it Denali?
Ahh, remember when Palin and Michelle Bacmann were the 2 looniest examples of the gop? Good times, good times.
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