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Old 10-26-2017, 10:47 AM
 
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Why do the simple minded insert "God" into anything they don't understand?
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Old 10-26-2017, 10:50 AM
 
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Why do the simple minded insert "God" into anything they don't understand?
Why do some get so upset and start name calling when he’s even mentioned?
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Old 10-26-2017, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Itinerant
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Because in symmetry they annihilate each other. For one or the other to exist independently there has to be some form of asymmetry. Be it in quantity, energy, or distribution.
What is the product of an AM/M annihilation?

What is a gamma particle? Matter or Antimatter or...?

So AM/M annihilation releases matter, correct? Energy being a form of matter.

So put 10^100 hydrogen atoms and 10^100 anti-hydrogen in a box (we can figure out how they got there later) what's the outcome? A big explosion and a huge gamma burst of such order it may condense into known elements (though significantly less than previously) we can already collide two photons and produce an electron and positron and gamma is (drumroll please) a photon.

So where did the antimatter go...?
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Old 10-26-2017, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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I always wonder why people believe in the Big Bang theory, do people stop asking questions anymore... I never met something that just went "Bang" and it would have to be enormous in size given the composition of the universe... If energy cannot be created or destroyed and matter is a form of energy, where did that energy come from and why was there so much of it contained in a "Bang" object... why is there only one "Bang" object in the entire universe... I am not trying to promote religion as an answer but sometimes I wonder if people can't explain something, they make up stuff like the "Big Bang" to fill in the void... there are already competing theories that the Big Bang is false and none of them are religious but the media and people still hold on to the "Big Bang" as truth even if they don't really know...



Exactly why I recognize Atheism as a religion.


Takes more faith to believe in a creator-less Universe than one that was created.
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Old 10-26-2017, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Why do the simple minded insert "God" into anything they don't understand?

Because they don't like thinking about scary things.

A bunch of semi-literate nomads in the middle east figured everything out for them thousands of years ago.

End of story.

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Old 10-26-2017, 11:04 AM
 
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What is the product of an AM/M annihilation?

What is a gamma particle? Matter or Antimatter or...?

So AM/M annihilation releases matter, correct? Energy being a form of matter.

So put 10^100 hydrogen atoms and 10^100 anti-hydrogen in a box (we can figure out how they got there later) what's the outcome? A big explosion and a huge gamma burst of such order it may condense into known elements (though significantly less than previously) we can already collide two photons and produce an electron and positron and gamma is (drumroll please) a photon.

So where did the antimatter go...?
Hmm, but in a situation that has fully symmetrically distributed antimatter and matter, "matter" in the sense of solid matter would not be able to exist correct? Any solid matter would instantly annihilate into its "energy" form, which is where I thought the confusion lay, since they were unable to find any kind of evidence of asymmetry at this point, yet solid matter forms very clearly exist. I mean, we could also go down the solipsism route with the argument that maybe we actually are pure energy forms and only PERCEIVE ourselves as being composed of solid matter, but I find that about as useful as trying to bring god into it.

Using quotes around "matter" and "energy" since they are effectively the same thing in different states. That state is VERY important to us however....

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Old 10-26-2017, 11:06 AM
 
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Takes more faith to believe in a creator-less Universe than one that was created.
Of course, not trying to learn about any of it and just assuming you already have all the answers 'cause someone told you so a long time ago and it made you feel good is always another option. I mean, it says so in an old book! And the book says the book is true! Proof!
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Old 10-26-2017, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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You would think they might consider that God created the universe.
The universe shouldn’t exist, according to science | New York Post
Why? That's not an answer. That's like saying: "I don't understand the magic bullet that killed Kennedy, so while some people think there was another shooter, and other people think the bullet just moved oddly, I'm going to assume there are pan-dimensional lizard people who teleported into the area under and invisibility cloak and used mini-black hole-launching guns to drag the bullet through unusual routes through Kennedy's body.

People like to explain away the nonsense of that sort of idea with statements like "Well, the god exists outside of our reality so it doesn't have to adhere to the laws of physics," and for some reason they never bother to consider that some other unintelligent force could also exist outside our reality and be responsible for the exact same thing...but it wouldn't necessarily have the sentience we'd need to somehow explain if a god exists, which I don't understand because so far as I can see sentience only comes about through the development of organic brains. Maybe someday they'll develop mechanical sentient brains...but I don't think god's usually described as a robot any more than he's described as a normal biological organism...and of course even if he was described as a robot or a normal biological organism we don't see normal biological organisms or robots with godly powers either and I don't know how they'd get them.

So, the bottom line is saying "god did it" is no more of an answer than saying "I don't know." In some ways it's actually less of an answer because we're left with more questions than when we started. I guess if the question is "Is there a god?" then it answers that, but if the question is "how did the universe form?" saying god insta-poofed it doesn't explain much.
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Old 10-26-2017, 11:10 AM
 
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Why do some get so upset and start name calling when he’s even mentioned?


I doubt anyone is "upset" at the mention of God. It is just a little silly and not very intellectual to simple claim "God must have done it!" for every bit of info we don't yet understand. If the scientists simply quit searching for answers every time some religious person made this claim, we would still be in the Bronze Age. All of our advances come because people don't accept this simplistic explanation for every unknown phenomenon.
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Old 10-26-2017, 11:11 AM
 
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So, the bottom line is saying "god did it" is no more of an answer than saying "I don't know." In some ways it's actually less of an answer because we're left with more questions than when we started. I guess if the question is "Is there a god?" then it answers that, but if the question is "how did the universe form?" saying god insta-poofed it doesn't explain much.
More questions, along with a false sense of verisimilitude bordering on pure hubris.

No ignorance quite like willful ignorance.
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