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Agnostic here, former Sikh, not Christian, but I can easily acknowledge the value of Prayer in Religion, just as I can see the value of meditation, modern Psychiatric therapy, and non- religious communities coming together in times of need.
Not that hard to figure out, people coming together in prayer provides hope and support, and will aid in their recovery. The continued ridicule by "Supposedly" Liberal people against people who believe in prayer, or just find it helpful, proves how un-Liberal these people are.
sure have. Not the whole thing but much of it. Can you point out the part that is similar to some of the sick depraved stuff King has come up with? Like in pet cemetary where the dead infant slashes the old man to death??
Because Pet Semetary is a work of fiction, just like the bible.
"I pulled up to the intersection where the shooting happened and I saw two men exchanging gunfire," Langendorff said, noting the shooter and another local were shooting at each other.
Once the gunman fled the church grounds in his vehicle, Langendorff said the other man came to his car.
"The other gentleman said we needed to pursue (the shooter) because he shot up the church," he said. "So that's what I did. I just acted."
The pair chased the man down FM 539 headed North before the shooter lost control and ran off the roadway. Langendorff said the other man with him jumped out othe car and drew his rifle on Kelley.
"He didn't move after that," Langendorff said.
This is were the cell phone came in
The pair were able to lead law enforcement authorities to where Kelley was. The 26-year-old was found dead in his vehicle. It is not immediately clear how he died.
You claimed divine intervention then contradicted yourself. Someone inside the church called 911. I had read an earlier report that someone showed up at the church because of a cell phone call.
The gunman opened fire some time after 11:20 a.m., according to officials. By 11:30 a.m., Ramirez had crawled out of the line of fire and called 911, the station reported.
One observation:
Solis, who suffered a gunshot wound to her shoulder, said her only option was to play dead.
“I shouldn’t have gone to church that day,” she remembers thinking as she huddled under the pew.
But it does. People should not believe in things that aren't true. We don't teach our kids that the world is made of green cheese. We don't teach our children that leprechauns or unicorns exist. We don't teach our kids to pray to and depend on unicorns to save them when the going gets tough. We should depend on ourselves, family, and friends to help us in times of trouble. It is vitally important to believe in things that are true, not in things that are false. Believing false things is not only harmful to the believer, but to others. I can't believe I have to point out such an obvious fact. Just because many people believe in God doesn't make him real; it only makes him popular.
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So you are right and the believers are wrong? Interesting.
I believe I am. But I am open to proof that I'm wrong and that a god or gods exist. If a god or gods exist, by all means, please show me. I like to learn new things, I've been wrong before, and I have no problem admitting it. But in the complete absence of proof that deities have ever existed, I can confidently say that a god(s) don't exist.
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But god is real to them. So how does that affect you? It certainly doesn't affect me. People who choose to believe in god find comfort, happiness and a sense of community. Why is that a bad thing? Explain to me how someone praying to someone or something to help them find comfort during bad times affects you in any way. It doesn't.
Now we can get into a whole debate about how religion is a big reason wars are started and that christians kill other christians and non believers, but this thread is about people praying to find comfort or to ease others pain.
Again, I do not believe in god. It just doesn't make any sense to me, but if believing in a god helps others get through the day or feel whole, than more power to them.
But it is harmful. Believing in delusions is harmful to nonbelievers, and even people of other religions. My opinion is an unpopular one, because nonbelievers are always supposed to be openminded toward believers, but when politicians allow discrimination of real people based on their "sincere religious beliefs" because God supposedly thinks it's OK, other people's religion certainly harms people who do not believe the same way they do.
sure have. Not the whole thing but much of it. Can you point out the part that is similar to some of the sick depraved stuff King has come up with? Like in pet cemetary where the dead infant slashes the old man to death??
Pet Semetery*
Rape of Dinah
Genocide in Joshua
Dismemberment of a Levite's concubine (Fun fact, in the story the townspeople originally wanted to rape the Levite)
Dismemberment of a slave (Book of Luke)
In Revelations when angels pour a bowl of God's wrath in the oceans turning them into the "blood of corpses"
Jacob's wives' slaves' sexual abuse
Death of Judas
Paul wanting his opponents to have their genitals cut off
Cain killing Abel
Lot gives up his daughters to rapists
Basically the whole book of Leviticus
Rape of Dinah
Genocide in Joshua
Dismemberment of a Levite's concubine (Fun fact, in the story the townspeople originally wanted to rape the Levite)
Dismemberment of a slave (Book of Luke)
In Revelations when angels pour a bowl of God's wrath in the oceans turning them into the "blood of corpses"
Jacob's wives' slaves' sexual abuse
Death of Judas
Paul wanting his opponents to have their genitals cut off
Cain killing Abel
Lot gives up his daughters to rapists
Basically the whole book of Leviticus
Could also add in the whole book of Revelation, but that is more John Carpenter/Lovecraft than Steven King.
Agnostic here, former Sikh, not Christian, but I can easily acknowledge the value of Prayer in Religion, just as I can see the value of meditation, modern Psychiatric therapy, and non- religious communities coming together in times of need.
Not that hard to figure out, people coming together in prayer provides hope and support, and will aid in their recovery. The continued ridicule by "Supposedly" Liberal people against people who believe in prayer, or just find it helpful, proves how un-Liberal these people are.
I don't have a problem with prayer itself. I do have a problem with it when it's not followed by action.
I believe I am. But I am open to proof that I'm wrong and that a god or gods exist. If a god or gods exist, by all means, please show me. I like to learn new things, I've been wrong before, and I have no problem admitting it. But in the complete absence of proof that deities have ever existed, I can confidently say that a god(s) don't exist.
But it is harmful. Believing in delusions is harmful to nonbelievers, and even people of other religions. My opinion is an unpopular one, because nonbelievers are always supposed to be openminded toward believers, but when politicians allow discrimination of real people based on their "sincere religious beliefs" because God supposedly thinks it's OK, other people's religion certainly harms people who do not believe the same way they do.
I agree with you completely that god(s) do not exsist. I never understood how people believed in the bible wholeheartedly and without question. It just made no sense to me.
I guess I can see why people choosing to believe in a book and how it tells them to live their lives affects us if those are the people who make the laws and rules of the land. Then sure it does affect me there. I don't agree that our land should be ruled by the bible and I'm thankful that there are others who also think church and state should be seperate.
But people praying to a god to find comfort in a time of need is not delusional. It helps them and it gives them peace. I still see nothing wrong with that. Their wanting that hope doesn't affect me.
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