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Abuse of Marine recruits in boot camp? I didn't know that was illegal...I thought that was the whole point.
It was in the Army in 1969. All we recruits were slapped and treated like less than human. They said they needed to break our spirit so we would follow orders without question. Stand at attention for hours, if you moved, you got punched, etc.
That drill instructor's job is to prepare those recruits for an enemy who will slap them and stomp all over them. Maybe this instructor went overboard and did it too much, I don't know.
But ZERO reason?
That's naïve to the point of lunacy.
His job is also to winnow out the recruits who will never be tough enough to fight and support their fellow soldiers during hard, scary, painful, and even terrifying times. Recruits who don't have the personal strength and discipline to stick to what they have to do in the face of somebody slapping, stomping them, and worse. Some recruits just can't handle that and don't belong in the Marine Corps. They will be a danger to themselves and their mates. The DI's job is to see that they head for the door BEFORE they can do major harm to the rest.
Again, maybe he overdid it. But lots of Drill Instructors go through the same routines he did, and for very important reasons.
I can tell that you're not in the Corps, simply from the attitude you display here.
It was in the Army in 1969. All we recruits were slapped and treated like less than human. They said they needed to break our spirit so we would follow orders without question. Stand at attention for hours, if you moved, you got punched, etc.
I could see how pushing someone to their limit physically and emotionally by demanding their best.
I could see how breaking someone down emotionally to rebuild them
But I don't understand how beating someone unprovoked, someone who can't fight back makes that person stronger. Maybe more submissive, which I suppose is what the drill instructor wanted.
But if you have physically beat you into submission to get obedience than that person never respected you, and they still dont, they just fear you
I could see how pushing someone to their limit physically and emotionally by demanding their best.
I could see how breaking someone down emotionally to rebuild them
But I don't understand how beating someone unprovoked, someone who can't fight back makes that person stronger. Maybe more submissive, which I suppose is what the drill instructor wanted.
But if you have physically beat you into submission to get obedience than that person never respected you, and they still dont, they just fear you
In combat, I did not see where the abuse helped at all.
There's a difference between building up recruits and abusing them by throwing them into dryers. This guy deserved to go to prison. He was convicted by a jury of his peers - fellow Marines - and if they say he did wrong, then he did wrong.
There's a difference between building up recruits and abusing them by throwing them into dryers. This guy deserved to go to prison. He was convicted by a jury of his peers - fellow Marines - and if they say he did wrong, then he did wrong.
People here are speaking from their own thoughts about "what it was for me" or something else they imagine.
The court-martial jury had the facts of exactly what happened in this case, and the old Marines on that panel--who had all been through boot camp themselves, and had likely all been through combat themselves--ruled this guy was very wrong.
It was in the Army in 1969. All we recruits were slapped and treated like less than human. They said they needed to break our spirit so we would follow orders without question. Stand at attention for hours, if you moved, you got punched, etc.
I also was in the Army in 1969, basic training and it was never acceptable to abuse recruits and no one ever stated they needed to break anyone spirit. Basic training and conditioning was very demanding physically, team work and becoming mentally focused. Any mistakes or lack if effort were met with more physically demanding exercises but punching a recruit was not accepted behavior. One of my drill instructors was court martialed for hitting a recruit with a rifle but, another DI was also spoken to having us use foul language while marching.
This DI was way overboard and a group of his peers judged his behavior.
Well, if they are going to fight the middle easterns and North koreans, they probably need tougher training. Let's just face reality already.
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Originally Posted by MJJersey
What is the enemy going to do to them?
Must also be honest that most of those in the military, dont face combat or see enemies face to face. There are many behind the scenes and if they are recruits, this isnt a fair response
Must also be honest that most of those in the military, dont face combat or see enemies face to face. There are many behind the scenes and if they are recruits, this isnt a fair response
They still need to prepare themselves mentally and physically. I am not saying this drill instructor was right, by the way.
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