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View Poll Results: Are you happy your taxes are going up?
Yes 22 29.73%
No 52 70.27%
Voters: 74. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-03-2017, 03:48 PM
 
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If he hasn't already, I think Trump will see the error he made here and switch gears rather quickly. Way too early to count him out.

Nothing is going to work for healthcare until the corporate vultures are prohibited from getting anywhere near it. That's the only thing that will make a real difference and the one thing that the politicians are scared to death to address.
There is just no reason for it to cost 15k or more to go a ER for a few test or broken arm. The system is broken.
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Old 12-03-2017, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Yes, because that's what anyone who doesn't have $10mm to leave their heirs does with all their money.
Also helps Trump's family to the tune of $1 billion. And so all of Trump's profitable enrichment from charging the American taxpayers for use of his properties will be passed on to Jared and Ivanka. And trust fund kids who do nothing will be able to continue doing nothing. It is very important that the GOP pass this. Very important.

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Old 12-03-2017, 03:53 PM
 
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If Republicans were smart they would have increased tax credits for poor and middle class families, but they’re not and their big legislative “win” is supported by about 30%.
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Old 12-03-2017, 04:16 PM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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There is just no reason for it to cost 15k or more to go a ER for a few test or broken arm. The system is broken.
That is exactly right. It is Grand Larceny and they do it because they can, taking full advantage of people at their most vulnerable moments to extract their last penny and a million more.

The system is the envy of Al Capone.
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Old 12-03-2017, 07:01 PM
 
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My accountant says that I will pay less taxes under the GOP plan. So I am absolutely ok with it.
If memory serves. The dems claimed that I would pay less for health care insurance under the affordable care act. The reality is that I pay a hell of a lot more. Why would I believe them now?
Bingo.
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Old 12-03-2017, 07:03 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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If Republicans were smart they would have increased tax credits for poor and middle class families, but they’re not and their big legislative “win” is supported by about 30%.
Wow. You just don't know anything, do you?
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Old 12-03-2017, 07:07 PM
 
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If Republicans were smart they would have increased tax credits for poor and middle class families, but they’re not and their big legislative “win” is supported by about 30%.
That is just more welfare similar to Obamacare subsidies. Hopefully this bill will help more people get into the middle class with lower taxes and not needing as much government assistance. Expanding the child tax credit to $2000 was nice
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Old 12-03-2017, 08:03 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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Use a calculator. The loss of exemptions means the standard deduction only goes up by 16%. The loss of many deductions for middle class Americans mean they will see immediate increases in tax liability. Almost all Americans will see increases when the individual provisions expire in just 7 years.
I and others have used the calculators based on the tax plans that are available online. We SAVE money.
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Old 12-03-2017, 08:07 PM
 
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I and others have used the calculators based on the tax plans that are available online. We SAVE money.
Of course most people will pay less taxes. That won't stop liberals from lying about it. It's what they do.
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Old 12-03-2017, 08:10 PM
 
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Wow. You just don't know anything, do you?
I know that the Republican tax bill is good politics for Democrats.
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