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Old 12-22-2017, 12:22 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber View Post
This bill will kill me, and millions of others, with new taxes, but I thought that at least it will send the stock market higher, but the market has been down every day since the passage of the bill.
Um... yeah... because it's NOT a tax cut for the rich. It benefits the WORKING class. What is it going to take for the brainwashed lefties to GET that?
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Old 12-22-2017, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Um... yeah... because it's NOT a tax cut for the rich. It benefits the WORKING class. What is it going to take for the brainwashed lefties to GET that?
I am not rich, but I am going to get hammered with a tax hike.

So, you are saying a corporate tax cut will NOT benefit corporations, and will NOT benefit the stock market?

You also seem to be saying the stock market is driven only by the rich?

I think you need to check with your handler about the talking points.
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Old 12-22-2017, 01:26 PM
 
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Hmmm.....

"As Congress moved the tax bill forward, investors pulled the highest amount out of equities funds in more than three years"

"U.S. value funds had outflows of $7.8 billion and small caps lost $5.8 billion, both the largest on record."
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Old 12-22-2017, 06:52 PM
 
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I am not rich, but I am going to get hammered with a tax hike.

So, you are saying a corporate tax cut will NOT benefit corporations, and will NOT benefit the stock market?
It will, but guess WHO benefits while simultaneously getting a tax cut? Not the rich. It's THESE people:

Info on WHO gets corporate profits and WHO benefits when corporations prosper

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You also seem to be saying the stock market is driven only by the rich?
Nope. I said the stock market's volume, velocity, and stock prices are driven by the quants. Read my post about the quants.

The Quants: Meet the Kings of Wall Street

I'm going to guess you're liberal arts, not STEM.
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Old 12-22-2017, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Um... yeah... because it's NOT a tax cut for the rich. It benefits the WORKING class. What is it going to take for the brainwashed lefties to GET that?
This wasn't passing without come concessions to the middle class, stop avoiding the obvious benefits to the wealthy. Even Mitch McConnell admitted he needed to satisfy his donors, why can't you.
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Old 12-22-2017, 08:20 PM
 
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This wasn't passing without come concessions to the middle class, stop avoiding the obvious benefits to the wealthy. Even Mitch McConnell admitted he needed to satisfy his donors, why can't you.
Watch the stock market. If the tax bill benefitted the rich instead of the working class, the stock market would have soared after it passed. It hasn't.
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Old 12-23-2017, 07:53 AM
 
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Watch the stock market. If the tax bill benefitted the rich instead of the working class, the stock market would have soared after it passed. It hasn't.
Wondering why your 'Quants' are apparently worried?

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“It’s a Ponzi scheme,” a Wall Street executive told me, dismissing the idea that a multi-trillion dollar tax cut for multinational corporations would trickle down throughout the economy and also pay for itself. It’s a view that’s widely shared among the bankers, hedge-fund managers, traders, and quants whose job it is to determine, with Vulcan accuracy, how the Republican tax bill that passed the House yesterday will actually affect the markets. It’s also more than a little ironic, given that the plan was spearheaded by two former senior partners of Goldman Sachs turned Trump shills—Gary Cohn and Steve Mnuchin—a pedigree that has done little to reassure Wall Street veterans who worry that the White House may accidentally nuke the economy in the name of “tax reform.” “Will this be the first tax cut in American history that actually results in a recession?” the executive asked.

It's a good question. ...
“IT’S A PONZI SCHEME”: WALL STREET FEARS TRUMP’S DERANGED TAX PLAN COULD KICK OFF ECONOMIC EUTHANASIA

Wall Street vets say an attack on blue states could start a chain reaction in the housing market. “Will this be the first tax cut in American history that actually results in a recession?”

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017...mic-euthanasia
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Old 12-23-2017, 07:59 AM
 
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Wondering why your 'Quants' are apparently worried?
Not my quants. Wall Street firms' and huge state pension plans' quants. Why are they worried? The new tax law DOESN'T benefit the rich. It's for the working class.

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“IT’S A PONZI SCHEME”: WALL STREET FEARS TRUMP’S DERANGED TAX PLAN COULD KICK OFF ECONOMIC EUTHANASIA

Wall Street vets say an attack on blue states could start a chain reaction in the housing market. “Will this be the first tax cut in American history that actually results in a recession?”

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017...mic-euthanasia
That's a problem of blue states taxing TOO much. Blue states can change that huge mistake for the better, if they wish.
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Old 12-23-2017, 08:34 AM
 
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Watch the stock market. If the tax bill benefitted the rich instead of the working class, the stock market would have soared after it passed. It hasn't.
I imagine that the recent soaring gains in the stock market were in anticipation of the coming tax reform bill. If one wishes to profit in the market, one buys ahead of such events, not after the anticipated event happens.
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Old 12-23-2017, 10:15 AM
 
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I imagine that the recent soaring gains in the stock market were in anticipation of the coming tax reform bill. If one wishes to profit in the market, one buys ahead of such events, not after the anticipated event happens.
While that's generally true, if this were a huge tax cut for the rich, they'd anticipate the savings and invest even more.

It's the working class that will benefit from this tax law, NOT the rich.
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