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Old 01-19-2018, 10:46 AM
 
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Typical libs.. Lose all power so they are throwing hissy fits like whiny little girls. They've been throwing hissy fits ever since The Wicked Witch was upsetted by someone with NO public office experience because she was so ulikeable, hated, and screwed the whole country over for decades with her and husbands shady NAFTA deals. . And have spent the last year attacking Trump for every little word he utters. The world now knows how they are. PETTY children. and republicans will control everything for the next 7 years


This is a good thing.. No Dem in Whitehouse for quite a while now and we get another 4 years of Trump which will always be superior than do nothing whiny Dems
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Old 01-19-2018, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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It's the same attitude they've brought to budget negotiations time and again: Our way or the highway. Even when they are in the minority. And the Republicans have always caved.

Too bad (for them) that the people elected Donald Trump, who has been pointing out the truth of what they are doing from the first day he became President. Truth is the one thing Democrats cannot defeat, and it always goes against their agenda.

Democrats' DACA fight is a power play designed to turn Dreamers into a new army of liberal voters | Fox News

You emphasize truth, but yet there is so little of it in your post. Those who have DACA status are not voters and never would be, unless they were able to go through the process of becoming citizens. You make the false claim that democrats have aggressively caused impasses in budget negotiations, when all they've done is play a bit of self-defense. In this current showdown, a large majority of all Americans are in favor of extending DACA, except of course, those of Trump's destructive cult.
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Old 01-19-2018, 11:01 AM
 
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It's the same attitude they've brought to budget negotiations time and again: Our way or the highway. Even when they are in the minority. And the Republicans have always caved.

Too bad (for them) that the people elected Donald Trump, who has been pointing out the truth of what they are doing from the first day he became President. Truth is the one thing Democrats cannot defeat, and it always goes against their agenda.

Democrats' DACA fight is a power play designed to turn Dreamers into a new army of liberal voters | Fox News
You've got to be kidding. Classic Republican Freudian reversal. All the my-way-or-the-highway crap started when Barack Obama was elected POTUS--when the GOP publicly stated that their main goal would be to ruin his presidency.

And the majority of the people did NOT elect the sexual-predator-sociopath-in-chief the right-wing nutters elected.
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Old 01-19-2018, 11:01 AM
 
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You emphasize truth, but yet there is so little of it in your post. Those who have DACA status are not voters and never would be, unless they were able to go through the process of becoming citizens. You make the false claim that democrats have aggressively caused impasses in budget negotiations, when all they've done is play a bit of self-defense. In this current showdown, a large majority of all Americans are in favor of extending DACA, except of course, those of Trump's destructive cult.
No they aren't.
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Old 01-19-2018, 11:06 AM
 
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...utdown-n838276

I just can't phantom how Democrats will defend criminal aliens to the point where their actions will be responsible for shutting down the government. Seems traitorous to me. Isn't there something in the oath when they take office that mentions abiding by and enforcing the laws of the nation??
Funny--I can't remember either Democrats or Republicans (back when they were really Republicans and not rabid, mindless, right-wing, FOX-watching, bending-over-for-rich-people sociopaths) having a problem with Reagan's amnesty, or with the fact that illegal immigration intensified under Bush and Clinton.

But here's a little history lesson for you: Because of NAFTA, millions of Mexican farmers were starved out. They could no longer compete on the marketplace in their own country, since the importation and pricing of industrialized "farming" from the U.S. pushed them out. Having no way left to feed their families, they headed over the border. We (and the Mexican government) caused this problem; the people didn't. So put the blame where it really belongs.
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Old 01-19-2018, 11:11 AM
 
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Funny--I can't remember either Democrats or Republicans (back when they were really Republicans and not rabid, mindless, right-wing, FOX-watching, bending-over-for-rich-people sociopaths) having a problem with Reagan's amnesty, or with the fact that illegal immigration intensified under Bush and Clinton.

But here's a little history lesson for you: Because of NAFTA, millions of Mexican farmers were starved out. They could no longer compete on the marketplace in their own country, since the importation and pricing of industrialized "farming" from the U.S. pushed them out. Having no way left to feed their families, they headed over the border. We (and the Mexican government) caused this problem; the people didn't. So put the blame where it really belongs.
Here's a little history lesson for you. Reagan agreed to amnesty if Dems would agree to border protection. The Dems lied and reneged as usual so put the blame where it really belongs. We don't owe Mexican citizens anything. Let them take their grievances up with their own government.
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Old 01-19-2018, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Funny--I can't remember either Democrats or Republicans (back when they were really Republicans and not rabid, mindless, right-wing, FOX-watching, bending-over-for-rich-people sociopaths) having a problem with Reagan's amnesty, or with the fact that illegal immigration intensified under Bush and Clinton.

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it wasn't Reagan's amnesty...it was ted Kennedy's amnesty

the flood gates were opened in 1965...EVERY amnesty bill was written by ted kennedy....

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In 1986 Senator Kennedy said, ‘This amnesty will give citizenship to only 1.1 to 1.3 million illegal aliens. We will secure the borders henceforth. We will never again bring forward another amnesty bill like this.
old liberal ted lied

as usual all liberal can do is lie

Ronald Reagan was opposed to illegal immigration and amnesty. In fact, if you do a little research you will find that stopping illegal immigration was part of the Republican National Committee’s platform back then and Ronald Reagan ran on that platform.

The 1986 Immigration Reform Act that rewarded illegal aliens with amnesty was known as the Simpson-Massoli bill of 1986. When first drafted, the bill was suppose to make it a criminal offense for aliens who were not authorized to work in the United States a federal criminal act and that it would be a federal crime for employers to hire illegal aliens.

Here's what happened, the Democrats in Congress refused to sign on this bill unless the 1.5 million illegal aliens already thought to be in the country illegally and would qualify for amnesty were rewarded amnesty. (reason being, if these illegal’s were to become U.S. citizens, guess what party they would most likely vote for ? )

So the amnesty part was added on to the bill other wise the Democrats wouldn't sign on. And to muffle the out cry, the American people were told that this amnesty was a one time thing and would never be repeated again.

Well the bill passed both houses of Congress and President Reagan signed the bill. In the inner circles of the administration, Ronald Reagan was to have said he may have made a mistake by signing the bill.
Guess what ?, it wasn't 1.5 million illegal aliens who would have qualified for amnesty. It turns out that over 3 million were rewarded with amnesty, mostly because of the fraud that took place during the amnesty process. Phony rent receipts, phony pay check stubs, liberal judges expunging criminal records of illegal aliens!!!

And after the bill became law, you had Teddy Kennedy watering down the enforcement part of the bill that had to do with enforcing and prosecuting employers who hired illegal aliens.



Here is Ted Kennedy commenting on the 1965 immigration bill,Quote
“The bill will not flood our cities with immigrants. It will not upset the ethnic mix of our society. It will not relax the standards of admission.” End of Quote.

In 1994, Ted Kennedy’s Section 245(i) Amnesty gave legal residence and jobs to 578,000 illegal aliens. It was a temporary rolling amnesty primarily for extended family members of immigrants who instead of waiting in line, come on to the country illegally.

In 1997, Ted Kennedy’s extension of the Section 245(i) rolling amnesty was followed by an increasing flow of illegal immigration.

In 1997, Ted Kennedy also won an amnesty for close to one million illegal aliens from Central America. Illegal immigration sped up some more.

In 1998, Ted Kennedy won an amnesty for 125,000 illegal aliens from Haiti.

In 2000, Ted Kennedy got the so-called Late Amnesty, legalizing another 400,000 illegal aliens who claimed that they missed out on Kennedy’s 1986 amnesty.

In 2000, Ted Kennedy also won the LIFE Act Amnesty for an estimated 900,000 illegal aliens. It was another reinstatement of the rolling Section 245(i) amnesty...an estimated 900,000 illegal aliens. Illegal immigration accelerated.





again what can you count on... liberals will lie no matter what

liberalism (fascism) is a mental disease
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Old 01-19-2018, 11:49 AM
 
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The Democrats are willing to shutdown the us government to protect daca members at the expense of Americans. At least that is what most people are saying.
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Old 01-19-2018, 11:52 AM
 
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I'm not sure. Conservatives usually pick unborn fetuses over U.S. citizens, so I'm not really sure how sacrosanct citizenship is here.
If fetuses aren't considered human life, why is feticide (fetal homicide) a felony? How can someone be convicted of killing a life that supposedly doesn't exist?
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Old 01-19-2018, 11:56 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Typical libs.. Lose all power so they are throwing hissy fits like whiny little girls. They've been throwing hissy fits ever since The Wicked Witch was upsetted by someone with NO public office experience because she was so ulikeable, hated, and screwed the whole country over for decades with her and husbands shady NAFTA deals. . And have spent the last year attacking Trump for every little word he utters. The world now knows how they are. PETTY children. and republicans will control everything for the next 7 years


This is a good thing.. No Dem in Whitehouse for quite a while now and we get another 4 years of Trump which will always be superior than do nothing whiny Dems


It is worse than the crazy psycho ex-girl friend.
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