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View Poll Results: Should non-essential government workers be paid after a shutdown?
Yes 115 64.25%
No 64 35.75%
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Old 12-25-2018, 01:41 PM
 
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Employees and employers have a contractual relationship. If an employee goes on strike, they are of course not paid. If the employer in this case, has a shutdown, they have broken the contract and the employees should be paid. In both cases, there is a major cost penalty to the instigator of the strike or shutdown and this should act as a deterrent to poorly considered actions.
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Old 12-25-2018, 01:46 PM
 
Location: New York
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Non-essential government workers should all be fired.
I second that!

No business owner would hire non-essential employees. Why should we?

Let them get a job in the private sector or become essential damn quick!


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Employees and employers have a contractual relationship. If an employee goes on strike, they are of course not paid. If the employer in this case, has a shutdown, they have broken the contract and the employees should be paid. In both cases, there is a major cost penalty to the instigator of the strike or shutdown and this should act as a deterrent to poorly considered actions.

Give them all a 2-month severance package. Save the people tens of billions each year.
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Old 12-25-2018, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Beaver County
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They shouldn't imo....I wouldn't.
Well that is your own fault. Shouldn’t be so short sighted. Lmao
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Old 12-25-2018, 01:59 PM
 
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When the idiots in Washington shut things down. Anyone not getting paid should stay home. See how long they fight if the airlines can't fly, Homeland Security is laid off etc.
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Old 12-25-2018, 02:23 PM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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I second that!

No business owner would hire non-essential employees. Why should we?

Let them get a job in the private sector or become essential damn quick!





Give them all a 2-month severance package. Save the people tens of billions each year.
During a previous shutdown, it was reported that there were certain government offices that were totally closed because NONE of the people there were "Essential" which raises the question of why that office exists in the first place......
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Old 12-25-2018, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Then let them collect unemployment like private sector employees. Many states do not allow furloughed employees to collect.
Apparently they can collect unemployment during shutdowns:

https://money.cnn.com/2013/10/01/new...its/index.html

Although unless they desperately need the money right now, it seems like more of a hassle because if they receive back-pay (which they will), they have to repay their unemployment.
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Old 12-25-2018, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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There are some essential government workers (such as the military, medical staff in VA hospitals, etc) who obviously should get back pay since they did go to work during a shutdown.

But should non-essential government workers who are furloughed get back pay? Shouldn't they have to use their vacation time? Is it fair to the "essential" workers that the non-essential ones are paid just to stay home? Is it fair to the American taxpayer to pay them for not working? And then they probably can argue they need "overtime" to catch up on the work during the shutdown........

I personally think federal workers who didn't actually work during a shutdown shouldn't get paid.
They are not permitted to use any type of leave during a furlough. Technically they are without a job.
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Old 12-25-2018, 04:39 PM
 
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Apparently they can collect unemployment during shutdowns:

https://money.cnn.com/2013/10/01/new...its/index.html

Although unless they desperately need the money right now, it seems like more of a hassle because if they receive back-pay (which they will), they have to repay their unemployment.
And the soaking of the taxpayers goes on
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Old 12-25-2018, 05:02 PM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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And the soaking of the taxpayers goes on
I think unemployment pay should be banned nationally, as well as alll OSHA and EEOC laws and regs.

That should make you just delirious with delight, huh?
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Old 12-25-2018, 05:10 PM
 
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I think unemployment pay should be banned nationally, as well as alll OSHA and EEOC laws and regs.

That should make you just delirious with delight, huh?
Agree
individuals are perfectly capable of negotiating their own employment agreements.
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