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Old 01-28-2018, 06:55 AM
 
Location: Central Mexico and Central Florida
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No it isn't. Really it isn't. You enter the country illegally at your own risk. There is no "they encouraged me" defense. FBI agents routinely pretend to be criminals and arguably entrap people.. but that doesn't get them off. Ultimately your decisions are your own no matter what "encouragement" you receive. DACA's it seem get special treatment under the law.
As I said, only simpletons seek a simple solution to complex problems.
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Old 01-28-2018, 06:56 AM
 
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Invaders?? People seeking a better life who FOR DECADES were ENCOURAGED by both Dem and Rep administrations to come here to help greedy corporations get cheap labor.

The US Government was complicit in this migration. Again, both parties for DECADES.

It's a complicated issue that demands a complex solution. Only simpletons say, Build a Wall, Throw Everyone Out.
Only simpletons and elitists say, keep the border open so virtually anyone can come in legally or not and then provide them with free healthcare, housing, food, and education.
There are millions of people from Asia and Africa that want to come here too for a better life. The southern border does virtually nothing to help them come in legally or illegally. Why don't you talk about them? Why promote only an open border with Mexico? Don't you feel sorry for people in India or Nigeria that would give their right arm to come here and raise a family?
Don't you have any sympathy for those people who spent years coming here legally only to have illegals get in front of them?
The U.S. has immigration policies and limits for a reason. Immigration laws are in place so immigration as a whole benefits the U.S. It's not a free for all for anyone to come here because of their financial status.
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Old 01-28-2018, 06:56 AM
 
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As I said, only simpletons seek a simple solution to complex problems.
I know you are but what am I?

Grow up.
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Old 01-28-2018, 07:02 AM
 
Location: Central Mexico and Central Florida
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Only simpletons and elitists say, keep the border open so virtually anyone can come in legally or not and then provide them with free healthcare, housing, food, and education.
There are millions of people from Asia and Africa that want to come here too for a better life. The southern border does virtually nothing to help them come in legally or illegally. Why don't you talk about them? Why promote only an open border with Mexico? Don't you feel sorry for people in India or Nigeria that would give their right arm to come here and raise a family?
Don't you have any sympathy for those people who spent years coming here legally only to have illegals get in front of them?
The U.S. has immigration policies and limits for a reason. Immigration laws are in place so immigration as a whole benefits the U.S. It's not a free for all for anyone to come here because of their financial status.
I live in Mexico fulltime and have owned a home here since 2008 (lived here fulltime 2008 till 2012, returned to US to care for elderly failing FIL) returned here bought another home last year.

Before that, I lived within 8 miles of the US-MX border in Arizona; owned a home there for 10 years.

I have seen the US MX border from both sides, up close and personal.

Most of the ignorant posters here who favor a wall have NO understanding of the reality of the border and US MX relations. If they did, they would not be in favor of a wall.
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Old 01-28-2018, 07:04 AM
 
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Oh please. We are only asking them to apply the right way. What about those humans who want to get in this country legally and are held out of the USA because we don't have the room due to the dreamers? I guess they are just "disposable".
For the bajillionth time...they have NO way to apply "the right way." DACA provides for that.
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Old 01-28-2018, 07:07 AM
 
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They should have no rights or opinions in the United States. If that’s what they are after, they can go HOME. Do you think you would have rights and opinions if you went to Mexico illegally and demanded them!
HA! You would never be heard from again. So take your bleeding heart, sob story sentiments and try them in another country.
Their HOME is America!!!

If you would take two minutes and research who qualifies as a Dreamer, you'd see that's true. These people GREW UP here in America. The only reason they aren't "Americans" is because of a piece of paper.
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Old 01-28-2018, 07:08 AM
 
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No it isn't. Really it isn't. You enter the country illegally at your own risk. There is no "they encouraged me" defense. FBI agents routinely pretend to be criminals and arguably entrap people.. but that doesn't get them off. Ultimately your decisions are your own no matter what "encouragement" you receive. DACA's it seem get special treatment under the law.
Except Dreamers were brought here as children which means it was NOT their decision.
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Old 01-28-2018, 07:09 AM
 
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For the bajillionth time...they have NO way to apply "the right way." DACA provides for that.
For the gazillionth time.. they can leave and apply the right way.

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Their HOME is America!!!
Nope.. not legally or morally. Just in their mind. My home is mansion in california... too bad that isn't reality.
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Old 01-28-2018, 07:09 AM
 
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I know you are but what am I?

Grow up.
An important step in maturity is researching a topic before attempting to debate it.
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Old 01-28-2018, 07:11 AM
 
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An important step in maturity is researching a topic before attempting to debate it.
Whatever. Sometimes a concept is just simple. Those who try to conflate it do so in order to avoid the truth.
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