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View Poll Results: Other than the shooter, who do you think is most responsible for the tragedy
Youtube, for deleting the warning comments of someone on the video 1 0.71%
The FBI 19 13.57%
The sheriff and his deputies 19 13.57%
The NRA 21 15.00%
Donald Trump 1 0.71%
The Second Amendment 6 4.29%
The FBI AND the sheriff and deputies and maybe Youtube too 51 36.43%
Other 22 15.71%
Voters: 140. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-16-2018, 08:18 AM
 
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What do you think should have been done to help this particular person?
You have a minor child who is banned from bringing a backpack to school because he is an obvious threat. Something should be done besides just punishment. Therapy, family therapy (his mother was alive then), medication if needed, mandatory mental health hospitalization if determined necessary etc.
Something! Maybe they did. However, if nothing was done to HELP him besides punishing him than the system is at fault. He was a child (last year during when he got expelled and was deemed too unstable to bring a backpack to school!).
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Old 02-16-2018, 08:18 AM
 
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We need a much fuller account from FBI/local LEO why they were unable to do anything if that's the case.

Local LEO was at his house 39 times since 2010.

Hard to believe their was no reason for an arrest or Baker Act event with that many calls to LEO.

Maybe there needs to be a system where LEO/school officials and/or others can petition the courts to prevent people like this waving this many red flags from purchasing guns. In other words if you go around acting mentally ill like this, maybe you should have to prove you are not before you can buy a gun.
Yes, its crazy that they were at his house that many times yet nothing came up in the background check.
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Old 02-16-2018, 08:19 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Well, it does make one wonder what is going on in these other so called first world countries that don't have the extreme problems with this kind of repeated violence that the US does have.

It's not all up to regulation, but they obviously must be doing something right that we obviously aren't.

People do need to be open minded enough to see that, whether the solution is legislative, cultural, social, medical, something else or some other combination of solutions that can be customized to our culture and eradicate this.
Exactly. Unfortunately this would mean people would have to dump their ideological agendas which it seems they're not willing to do.

All of the school shootings over the last several years must be dissected and all commonalities addressed and dealt with fixing what we are able to no matter what it is.
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Old 02-16-2018, 08:19 AM
 
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Another question might be - why was he able to purchase an AR 15 but could not have purchased a handgun?


I've heard so many things - Aspergers, autism, mother dying in November . . . these young men are always troubled and they also had easy access to guns.
I do not believe that he should have had access to an AR15 (or really anybody for that matter) BUT he also obviously needed help. Just the fact he was banned from being on campus with a backpack clearly shows just how much help the kid needed.
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Old 02-16-2018, 08:20 AM
 
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I never said they would always be there. To the contrary; it is impossible for them to be everyplace all the time. That is why I said the only ones in the right place at the right time are the victims. So the question is: How do we train victims to the point where they can defend themselves and classmates from these nutcases?
How do soldiers defend themselves against gunfire?

How do police officers defend themselves against gunfire?

Why are we asking young kids to be superheroes without exploring and instituting other options which take their youth, innocence and psychological needs into account?
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Old 02-16-2018, 08:21 AM
 
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Is saying you want to be a professional school shooter a specific threat?
If not, it should be. I would report it.
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Old 02-16-2018, 08:22 AM
 
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You have a minor child who is banned from bringing a backpack to school because he is an obvious threat. Something should be done besides just punishment. Therapy, family therapy (his mother was alive then), medication if needed, mandatory mental health hospitalization if determined necessary etc.
Something! Maybe they did. However, if nothing was done to HELP him besides punishing him than the system is at fault. He was a child (last year during when he got expelled and was deemed too unstable to bring a backpack to school!).
That would require a healthcare system that isn't broken. Something a certain segment of our society doesn't want to expend the dollars to fix.
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Old 02-16-2018, 08:24 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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How many threads are you planning to post this on Immerse. This is the third time I've seen the same post, and it's the same lie every time I find it. Of course, the story itself was a real story. No doubt about that. However, the part that's untrue is where you say he signed it on Tuesday. I know, I know, you are hoping most of the people who tow your lines won't even bother to click the link. And if they do, maybe they won't notice the date of the story is February 28th, 2017! Yeah, that's a year ago, not Tuesday. Please, please, please, stop spreading this lie. If you want to talk about this particular story, that's fine, go do it on the thread that was started about the same story almost a year ago. This is not fresh news, and you either know it or you don't even bother to read your own source materials.
Sadly those with an agenda just like the people who keep posting the absolute FAKE NEWS that this kid had ties to some White Supremacy group will keep on spreading falsehoods in order to pump up and further their sociopolitical agenda.

That is precisely the kind of crap that has to stop if we're to ever figure out and implement a solution...
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Old 02-16-2018, 08:27 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Consider closing all military installations on foreign soil, bringing all of our troops home, & station trained folks in our schools. & work on practica, pragmatic & sorely needed infrastructure projects here in US.
Or, how's about using retired LEO's and Vets? I'd bet we'd get tons of volunteers if asked instead of going way off the deep end like you're suggesting...
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Old 02-16-2018, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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How do soldiers defend themselves against gunfire?

How do police officers defend themselves against gunfire?

Why are we asking young kids to be superheroes without exploring and instituting other options which take their youth, innocence and psychological needs into account?
No; we are asking young kids to be survivors! We are also dispelling fear by empowering.
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