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Old 02-17-2018, 01:28 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Originally Posted by Redraven View Post
No, let's don't arm school kids, let's put armed guards in schools. TRAINED armed guards!
Metal detectors have been installed. Didn't work.
Locked doors have been tried. Didn't work.
"Gun Free Zones" have been tried. Dismal failure.
"Active Shooter Drills" have been implemented. Didn't help.
We have armed guards "protecting" everything from banks to gated communities to courthouses, yet the buildings where our precious CHILDREN are concentrated are not guarded at all!
WHY IS THAT?
Well, it is obvious to me that children today are less important than money or houses or judges and lawyers, in spite of all the wailing and gnashing of teeth over guns!
The problem is not the tool, it is the person holding the tool. Restricting the right of law-abiding citizens to own the tool will have no effect on criminals. They, by definition, don't obey the laws anyway!

The problem with an armed guard, from the lib perspective, is two-fold.

1. It introduces children to firearms and does so in a positive way,

2. The armed guard reinforces the "good guy" stereotype.


Personally, I would like to see a sidearm on every teacher and a Kevlar vest in every teacher's desk.
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Old 02-17-2018, 01:35 AM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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Taken from one of the articles reporting on the latest shooting in Florida:




https://www.yahoo.com/gma/police-res...opstories.html


and to quote:


" The suspect, 19-year-old Nikolas Cruz, was taken into custody off campus. He slipped out of the school after the shooting by blending in with other students who were trying to escape, according to two law enforcement sources and an eyewitness.

-- Cruz had "countless magazines" and was believed to have an AR-15 rifle, the sheriff said. "


If this information is correct, a 19 year old can not buy a AR-15 in the first place, that is restricted to 21 and above.


So to that where did this 19 year old get the rifle? It means that either lax parents or this 19 year old got the rifle from some other illegal means.


These actions are never justified and the person who did the shooting in totally in the wrong, but lets at least be host in how the got ahold of the rifle in the first place.
The cops said the AR was his and was legally purchased. I too was surprised someone so young could buy such a weapon. I then recalled a news story I watched some years ago about a 12-year-old walking into a Walmart to buy a rifle and ammo. He walked in, paid and walked out. I remember the story so well because I had no idea Walmart sold weapons like that.
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Old 02-17-2018, 06:30 AM
 
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We're getting a new gun range opening in a few months. I'd like to go.
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Old 02-17-2018, 09:55 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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The one thing that needs to be taken away from the latest school shooting is if the FBI had DONE THIER JOB it most likely would not have happened.

It's not gun control, it's not banning anything, it's people doing their job and enforcing existing laws. It's after telling people for years "if you see something say something" actually DOING something when those same people follow your bumper statements...
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Old 02-17-2018, 04:32 PM
 
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They sold a 19 year old an assault rifle. That doesn’t matter? You wait after they reveal the politicians who took money from the NRA. Hopefully things will change then.
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Old 02-17-2018, 08:44 PM
 
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Originally Posted by momonkey View Post
The problem with an armed guard, from the lib perspective, is two-fold.

1. It introduces children to firearms and does so in a positive way,

2. The armed guard reinforces the "good guy" stereotype.


Personally, I would like to see a sidearm on every teacher and a Kevlar vest in every teacher's desk.
Yes liberals are scared of that image but they love to be defended by armed guards!
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Old 02-17-2018, 09:47 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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They sold a 19 year old an assault rifle. That doesn’t matter? You wait after they reveal the politicians who took money from the NRA. Hopefully things will change then.
No, they sold a 19 year old a semi-automatic rifle. The fact that it is black does not make it inherently evil. The "AR" stands for Armalite, the company that first made them.

From Wikipedia -

Assault Rifle Characteristics

The U.S. Army defines assault rifles as "short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachine gun and rifle cartridges."[16] In a strict definition, a firearm must have at least the following characteristics to be considered an assault rifle:[2][3][4]

It must be capable of selective fire.
It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle, such as the 7.92×33mm Kurz, the 7.62x39mm and the 5.56x45mm NATO.
Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable box magazine.[5]
It must have an effective range of at least 300 metres (330 yards).
Rifles that meet most of these criteria, but not all, are technically not assault rifles, despite frequently being called such.

For example:

Select-fire M2 Carbines are not assault rifles; their effective range is only 200 yards.[17]
Select-fire rifles such as the FN FAL battle rifle are not assault rifles; they fire full-powered rifle cartridges.
Semi-automatic-only rifles like the Colt AR-15 are not assault rifles; they do not have select-fire capabilities.
Semi-automatic-only rifles with fixed magazines like the SKS are not assault rifles; they do not have detachable box magazines and are not capable of automatic fire.


There you go, now you won't sound ill informed when discussing the subject.
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Old 02-18-2018, 07:23 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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They sold a 19 year old an assault rifle. That doesn’t matter? You wait after they reveal the politicians who took money from the NRA. Hopefully things will change then.
Yes, they sold a 19 year old an AR15. Diane Feinstein is proposing a law that would make it illegal to purchase one until 21 years of age.

Let me ask this, kids have to sign up for the draft at 18 and can join the military at 18 where they will shoot everything from M16's to bazookas to LAW rockets.
If it's okay and mandatory for an 18 year old to carry a fully automatic weapon at 18, carry grenades,man a tank that shoots huge artillery shells etc then why should it be illegal for them to purchase a weapon that's less than what they'd carry in the military?
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Old 02-18-2018, 08:10 AM
 
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The shop that sold Cruz the (non assault but living being killing purpose) rifle has closed down. He did purchase it legally.
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Old 02-18-2018, 08:27 AM
 
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Loser or nut case. Sounds like great branding. They’d hate that kind of attention.
I agree with shaming someone that commits a crime like this so it won’t look so glorious on the news to copycats.

The problem is this kind of shaming in schools is how losers like this are created in the first place.
Parents don’t guide their kids on how to not be socially viable.
Kids Isolating kids because they are perceived as weird is the catalyst to this issue.
Not to mention that the black market for guns needs to be shut down, and we need titles and registrations for guns nationally, just like cars. Nothing else is designed to kill like guns, they should be more important to track than cars. Forget about drugs, turn the DEA into additional ATF agents to start taking down the black market.
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