Janus vs. afscme - an attack on Public Employee Unions (ethical, drug)

[BobNJ1960]

Originally Posted by Tonyafd

That's because the RTW states constantly vote against their own interests.

Most have had great job growth.

And the union free Southeast auto plants pay extremely well, with great benefits, btw.

Job growth is in everyone's best interest.

[Tonyafd]

For over a hundred years there has been a name given to those who are union hostile. They are called scabs.

[BobNJ1960]

Originally Posted by Tonyafd

For over a hundred years there has been a name given to those who are union hostile. They are called scabs.

Janus is not union hostile, btw.

This is a Freedom of Association issue.

Plantiff should be free not to be extorted by a third party, without affecting interaction with 2nd party, the employer.

[tom1944]

Originally Posted by BobNJ1960

wrong, 45% RTW experience has lasted decades, with no major swings.

My experience is in NJ and I know the different pay scales for union and non-union.

Add in the fact that under current law the union must represent the non-union member and and that is why there has been no change

Once there is legislation saying non-members are not covered or if this decision says it or a union sues to end non-member coverage and then we can see

[tom1944]

Originally Posted by BobNJ1960

I believe people should be free to join, or not join any union. I also believe it should be an independent decision vs choosing where to work.

If unions offer a good product, 100% will join willingly, post Janus.

What do you fear post Janus?

I agree

No free riders

[tom1944]

Originally Posted by BobNJ1960

Janus is not union hostile, btw.

This is a Freedom of Association issue.

Plantiff should be free not to be extorted by a third party, without affecting interaction with 2nd party, the employer.

The union also has freedom of association- no coverage for non-members -right?

[Tonyafd]

Originally Posted by BobNJ1960

Most have had great job growth.

And the union free Southeast auto plants pay extremely well, with great benefits, btw.

Job growth is in everyone's best interest.

Once again your argument is nonsense

Here are the State poverty rates:

37 Florida 14.6%
38 Texas 17.4%
39 North Carolina 17.0%
40 South Carolina 13.8%
41 Tennessee 16.7%
42 Arizona 21.3%
43 West Virginia 16.0%
44 Georgia 18.5%
45 District of Columbia 18.0%
46 Arkansas 19.1%
47 Kentucky 17.1%
48 Alabama 16.8%
49 Louisiana 14.3%
50 New Mexico 19.6%
51 Mississippi 23.2%

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...y_poverty_rate

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by BobNJ1960

I believe people should be free to join, or not join any union. I also believe it should be an independent decision vs choosing where to work.

If unions offer a good product, 100% will join willingly, post Janus.

What do you fear post Janus?

No matter how good the product is, many people will opt out of paying dues when they realize that they get the same representation as dues paying members. It would be like if SCOTUS ruled that employers have to offer health insurance to all employees but employees can decide whether or not they want to pay for it

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

No matter how good the product is, many people will opt out of paying dues when they realize that they get the same representation as dues paying members. It would be like if SCOTUS ruled that employers have to offer health insurance to all employees but employees can decide whether or not they want to pay for it

Exactly, it's a free rider paradox

[BobNJ1960]

Victory for Janus = Freedom for all